Last updated on 2014.02.03
Governor Dennis Daugaard presents his budget address to the Legislature in Pierre this afternoon. I'll be at work, missing the governor's pronouncements in favor of my students' French pronunciation.
At work, I'll also be facing a 5.6% increase in my insurance premium. That's not bad, considering that my boss is staving off a 16% increase by hiking our deductible and burning up some reserves. Still, I'd like to think that Governor Daugaard might see fit to send a little financial support to help my colleagues and me absorb that increased cost.
Some less cautious folks might get their hopes up. South Dakota's taxable sales increased 9.2% in FY2011. That's just about $60 million more in state sales tax that we could put toward helping public workers pay their inexorably rising cost of living. We also saw bigger ups in taxable sales in July and October than the downs in August and September, so sales over the past four months are up 1.3% over the same four months in 2010. South Dakota has more money, so we ought to be able to spend more on teachers, right?
Don't bet on it. South Dakota's economy grew 4.28% in 2010, but Governor Daugaard and the Legislature still found it necessary to blow 6% to 10% holes in this year's state budget.
This year's per-student allocation for K-12 education is just slightly higher than it was five school years ago. Sure, lots of folks in the private sector are getting by on less than they used to, but that doesn't mean that condition is healthy. And I continue to scratch my head trying to figure out how South Dakota can have 23% more wealth than it did in 2006 and still not have more to spend per student for K-12 education.
I just heard my party chairman, Ben Nesselhuf, on SDPB expressing his hope that today's budget address would offer some proposals to start undoing that damage. But Governor Daugaard doesn't see setting education funding back five years as "damage." Those budgets cuts aren't something to fix. They are the permanent paradigm, the "new norm" Governor Daugaard called for in his FY2012 budget. And if nothing else, Governor Daugaard seems to mean what he says.
Expect no great increases in K-12 funding or any other major chunk of the state budget. The damage is done, and we are going to keep doing it.
"The damage is done, and we are going to keep doing it."
I'm going to disagree with your pronoun reference here, Cory. I don't think "we" are going to do any damage; we will do our best to do more with less.
On the other hand, "they" who hate public education will continue to do their best to increase the damage.
Cory, K-12 must not be too bad off if they can still afford to teach French and have football playoffs.
Sibby,
There you go again with that whole false equivalency thing.
I'm a sports fan, but I would be the first to say that extra-curricular athletics should be the first thing to be cut.
On the other hand, cutting foreign languages is being penny wise and pound foolish. If fact, it might be beneficial to insist that everyone have some knowledge of a second language. I also believe academic extra-curriculars like music, debate, science olympiad all should remain.
As Cory points out, the state should be able to go beyond ‘readin’, ‘riteen, and ‘rithmatic.
LK, there are special interests in education. Not sure how learning French contributes to the "common good".
Incredible. Thinking back to Rep Stricherz quote that “The last thing any of us wanted to do was to make cuts to education,†and then to the Governor's campaign statements where he denied that we had a budget crisis.
In their own little worlds, they are pretty sure that they are right. For Stricherz, it's, like Corey said, the last thing she would want to do because she and the Republicans are unwilling and intellectually incapable of thinking about raising more revenue. She and the Republicans lack the political courage and will.
For Governor Daugaard, there is no budget crisis because he is focused on family, his own, and the taxpayers of South Dakota are providing just well for them. Besides, to admit a budget crisis is to admit failure.
Amazing that the Republican leadership of this state for the past 30 years has placed us in this position and the best thing they can think of is to take a whack at a large portion of the middle class, make cuts to the children and the most vulnerable. For them this is just their part of the national Republican assault on education, children, women and the middle class.
Of course they will say, "we can't pass this debt onto our children in the future" when what they really mean is "let's make them hurt now and in the future when their education is substandard in a global economy."
Besides, there could be business in front of the legislature far more important to the Republican brand.... like shooting coyotes from snowmobiles, defending usury, allowing guns in school, and naming pizza the state vegetable. With all of that going on, it'll be a wonder how they'll find time to discriminate against gay people, let alone develop a budget that is fair to everyone.
But it is comforting to know that none of their friends or business associates will be harmed in the making of this next budget and smiles and happy talk will once again rule the day in Pierre.
Sibby: "Cory, K-12 must not be too bad off if they can still afford to teach French and have football playoffs."
By golly Corey, Sibby just might have you on this one.
After all, why want our kids to have a depth and breadth of academic study. So what that most quality colleges require a a foreign language for admittance. It's not like a foreign language helps you to better understand English or develop a broader world view or anything. Besides, it doesn't matter what other states or countries are doing to prepare kids for a global economy. We need an "affordable workforce" right here in South Dakota that can work for minimum wage...they don't need no fancy learning for that. You would think it would be obvious that true conservative have declared critical thinking as unnecessary.
Not to mention why should we want our kids to have a well rounded educational experience that includes extracurricular activities when they should be working part-time jobs to support their families and preparing themselves for low skill work. That whole concept of kids developing through debate, choir, theater, band and even sports is something that other states can provide their kids...not us! We're only here to look out for our own economic development as the low skill-low pay state.
Besides, you teach these children critical thinking and it will make it harder for them to just blindly accept political dogma.
Way to go Sibby!
"Besides, you teach these children critical thinking and it will make it harder for them to just blindly accept political dogma."
Jana, so what happened? Your are blindly accepting political dogma, due to your critical thinking:
"Critical thinking leads the political thinker to socialism, anarchism, and a rejection of capitalism."
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/notaro20101114
Now that I think about it a little more, Jana just gave justification to stop funding K-12 all together, unless they drop their "critical thinking" agenda. What does anarchy have to do with the "common good"? And how much extra does it cost to instill critical thinking propaganda?
Sibby, fun site. I disagree with the statement, but still a fun site.
I notice that the author of that quote is "Kris Notaro, a former IEET intern, works with the Bertrand Russell A/V Project at Central Connecticut State University, producing DVDs to be used in the classroom. His major passions are in the technological advances in the areas of neuroscience, consciousness, brain, and mind."
I did like some of the comments though.
I found it particularly interesting that the readers of IEET (Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies) are in support of the Occupy movement.
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/occupypoll20111201
Yes Jana, the Occupy Movement...anarchy. And I thank you Jana because you have prompted me to find that critical thinking is part of the New Age Theocracy:
http://people.ucalgary.ca/~nurelweb/reviews/br-1.html
OMG, what have I done?
Jana, turn around and run as fast as you can. You're being sucked into the "Sibby in Wonderland" rabbit hole vortex from which there is no known escape. Go girl, go! And if you see a Unicorn on the way up, hop on it and ride. It could be your only hope. We can talk about the rationality of it all later. ;^)
...hey, they don't call this place "Madville Times" for nothin' you know?
Running as fast as I can...
Jana, Bill Fleming is irrelevant. He is a troll whose purpose is to turn truth into lies.
Cory says:
At work, I’ll also be facing a 5.6% increase in my insurance premium. That’s not bad, considering that my boss is staving off a 16% increase by hiking our deductible and burning up some reserves. Still, I’d like to think that Governor Daugaard might see fit to send a little financial support to help my colleagues and me absorb that increased cost.
Stan says:
In my work during 2011, I faced an 11.4% increase in my insurance premium. That’s not bad, considering that a lot of people who follow my line of work can't afford any insurance at all. Still, I'm grateful that the world at large sees fit to buy enough books to keep me and my colleagues from starving to death.
Jana: Steve Sibson is irrelevant. He is a troll whose sole purpose to ensure that South Dakota remains a chemical toilet in perpetuity for the good of Monsanto and Syngenta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRnBHHcdHJQ&feature=player_embedded
Simple, DD: close Northern, DSU, consolidate BHSU with SDSMT and reduce the number of counties in the chemical toilet to 25.
Then end the state's cannabis interdiction efforts by removing those statutes from its constitution.
Stupid state.
[Cory, how much longer are you going to put up with the Kurtz/Fleming trolls?]
Jesus would support the Occupy Movement:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/williams-says-jesus-would-be-siding-with-occupy-movement/2011/12/06/gIQA3ZbYaO_story.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost
[Steve: for as long as I will put up with you and your baseless charges of New Age Theocracy. Can we just talk about the governor's budget and the value of education to our state?]
"Can we just talk about the governor's budget and the value of education to our state?"
Cory, I did. It was Jana who walked us into the New Age Theocracy with the critical thinking BS. Then walked in the two trolls. You can call it baseless, but you charge Theocracy often yourself.
Steve,
Is there a single topic that does not lend itself to the charge it will lead to New Age Wiccan Masonic neo-Pagan Socialist Anarchy?
Cory, what is more important: K-12 education, higher ed, state employees or healthcare for the poor and elderly?
Healthcare is going to take a bigger chunk of the pie as more people qualify and less money comes from the feds.
I think the Governor showed very little leadership when it comes to education. A long term plan needs to be worked out offer some sort of stability for schools. Otherwise schools will wonder year-to-year whats going to happen. Less on abortion and immigration is needed and more on education.
"Jesus would support the Occupy Movement"
Hi Larry, I thought Christ wanted people to help each other, not steal in the name of Robin Hood, envy others' property, and enslave the population of a country for the greater good. I can't get to heaven because of the sacrifices I demand of others. Pretense of that kind is a cowardly lie that at the root shows desire to avoid doing real good.
Cory, looking at the state funding for education it appears there hasn't been a single year up until this budget that the state hasn't increased aid. usually around 3%. The state during that same period hasn't had a balanced budget without using the rainy day fund. If the new normal is that people in power make hard decisions rather than increasing spending no matter the current conditions (punting), than we should expect no less from everyone else, including educators.
Michael Black, you ask: "Cory, what is more important: K-12 education, higher ed, state employees or healthcare for the poor and elderly?"
So Michael, you have limited this whole budget cut piece to those 4 items? Doesn't that seem more than a little intellectually dishonest? What are our other choices? What are our choices for greater revenues?
Although I did use this type of argument with my kids when they were little...so what do you want with dinner, brussel sprouts or broccoli? I always got my broccoli.
Rog: here's a nice story from Nebraska about how it's okay to kill children with farm equipment but women can't make their own reproductive decisions:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/farmers-worry-labor-rules-end-teen-jobs-15070835#.Tt9Zc7LNlGW
Roger, it sounds like you're describing private insurance companies. And check the per-student allocation again. That metric is a better measure than overall aid, because it looks at how much we're willing to spend per child, regardless of whether we're serving more or fewer students. The FY2011 freeze and this year's reduction have set the PSA back five years.
Michael, false choice. They're all important. They all deserve the consideration Jana proposes, more revenue.
"The FY2011 freeze and this year’s reduction have set the PSA back five years."
Cory, again you ignore the fact that K-12 can still afford to teach French and have fooball playoffs. Hardly what we should call "setbacks".
Cory: "Michael, false choice. They’re all important. They all deserve the consideration Jana proposes, more revenue."
This is the problem with liberal economic thought. Government has unlimited "needs" but there is limited resources. Good government requires tough choices.
And this is the problem with liberal political thought. They just dismiss people they disagree with a bromide and no real vigor.
Think about it. A few days ago you wrote a column saying you should get a raise so you can pay for the higher cost of your benefits. Well, Cory this is reality of those who are government employees. I dont think you helped your cause.
"are NOT" government employees. Ooooops.
Troy, we have more resources than the arbitrary limits the GOp is imposing. One of the tough choices we could make would be to shoulder the burden of paying people what they are worth.
And I see no harm in the argument that we should pay workers more so they can afford the costs of living, including health insurance. Of course, if you'd get behind single-payer health insurance, we'd take that wage pressure off right away.
Sibby, I can teach any number of subjects, so I don't have to defend French alone. But I will defend foreign language education as a vital part of preparing students for college and for work in the global economy. We should require more foreign language training earlier in school, not treat it as a luxury.
I don't know, Cory. The Knights Templar spoke French. And the Freemasons spoke Scottish (which is pretty close to English).
And when they all go to the Bilderberger Hotel for the Trilateral Commission meetings where they do their critical thinking, I think they probably have to know Dutch or German to be able to tip the bellboys. Sounds pretty New Agey.
You might want to think about teaching Farsi or Sanskrit, brother.
Or maybe something good and American, like Lakota.
I'm just sayin'.
...or Spanish. That's pretty American.
"But I will defend foreign language education as a vital part of preparing students for college and for work in the global economy."
Cory, you just made my point. The purpose of Public education is to foster the New Age Theocracy of the New World Order (global economy).
Now for those who care about the truth. I studied the State Budget last night and found an over budget of $100 million plus in the Department of Social Services. I will finish my analysis and detail this later, but the question then becomes...why do we need more revenue?
What do you have against the United States of Earth, Steve? Would Jesus have supported the creation of Israel?
While not commenting on the actual subject of this blog, I will jump in to very staunchly defend foreign language (I also wanted to say I live in the town where the Knights Templar was formed). I live in Troyes, France as a Rotary Exchange Student, and I speak almost exclusively French over here. However my high school back in America teaches one foreign language: Spanish. I had to learn the language independently, several months before I departed. This proved no easy task, and like many of my fellow Exchange Students (many of whom have taken a few years of high school French), I was relatively unprepared for the challenge of a full year using almost exclusively a foreign language.
Although I'm biased greatly in favor of languages (I'm considering pursuing a career in linguistics), I think we can all see the benefits of expanding the language offerings: Spanish, French and English (together) allow you to speak with a huge piece of Africa, all of the Americas, except Brazil (and if you've got a sense of humor, the South), as well as huge parts of other populations. Learning Classical Latin or Ancient Greek will be great for your English vocabulary, as well as giving you a bit of extra culture (Latin also gives you a big advantage in French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, and Catalan). Learning Chinese will be great for the day when they start printing our money exclusively in Chinese, and learning a Semitic language (Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.) has some cool historical and religious implications. There is also an argument that can potentially be made from a neuroscientist's perspective (not that I'm an expert), that learning languages helps improve certain brain capacities, or at least access them.
Here at my lycée (high school) in Troyes, some students may take as many as three foreign languages. 1. English is mandatory, for obvious reasons; 2. A living language (usually German or Spanish, so they can communicate with their neighbors); 3. Latin or Greek is required for students with certain specializations, and the etymological implications are huge for anyone interested in a scientific or medical research field (even "feveritis" or "vomiting syndrome" would have some Greek roots.) Not taking multiple foreign languages will put Americans at a significant disadvantage to our beret-wearing, baguette-eating friends.
I'm not going to toss in my opinion about raising/lowering educational funding, but it is clear to me that within the educational pie, languages deserve a bigger piece than they're currently offered. I can see the merit in most classes taught, but believe that multilingualism should be a priority after basic "liberal arts" studies. And it's been demonstrated countless times (as well as through personal experience) that learning a language when younger is much easier, so I think we need to start a lot younger, too. If that doesn't work, I'll be the one teaching Latin, French and Icelandic to my theoretical toddler, and I'll be doing it with a smile, because I know it's the right thing to do.
And, I just realized I wrote a small book...
[CAH: Elliot! Your books are welcome!]
DD is squandering state resources on dead ponderosa pine as the pine beetle does Earth's work:
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/budget-plan-offers-more-money-to-pine-beetle-fight/article_81c5f03a-208f-11e1-90da-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=story
Stupid state.
A budget surplus under a Democratic governor:
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20111207/NEWS01/112070313/1002/news01
"(I also wanted to say I live in the town where the Knights Templar was formed). I live in Troyes, France as a Rotary Exchange Student"
I am not surprised to read this admission. Knights Templar were the force behind the American Revolution. Rotary is just one breeding ground for their impact in America today. The good old "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity" mantra.
Dang that American Revolution anyway, right, Steve?
Mr. Sibson,
I do appreciate your sense of humor. The Templar were officially disbanded in 1312, and it had more to do with conspiracy from the King than from the order. Also, it's not as if all 500 Rotary Exchange Students in France are in Troyes, studying the ancient texts brought back from Jerusalem. There are two of us. And we've only gotten to see the grail once... But thank you for lightening my day!
I have business degree from Dakota State with English, French and Spanish minors. Small schools have limited choices when it comes to foreign languages. It is difficult to learn over a TV screen. You need someone fluent to talk to face to face.
[CAH: And small schools need more money to hire specialists in those languages. This is an area where throwing money at the problem really is part of the solution.]
Steve,
All of your posts about the New World Order and the Masonic takeover of the world have been jokes?
Dude, you should have told us.
"The Templar were officially disbanded in 1312"
The Knights Templar of the French Templars?
In addition to linguistics, we have other languages with — and in — which to think and communicate, among them formal logic, mathematics, and the fine arts of music, dance, drawing, painting and sculpture. All have to do with the celebration of the human spirit, our interconnectedness with one another and to the natural universe from which we spring. Only a fool would disparage the practice of such things — a fool committed to the bondage of a self-imposed, voluntary, paranoid stupidity.
Elliot, this may wipe the smile from you face:
As Freemasons, Knights Templar, and Rosicrucians they affected the course of the French and American revolutions as well as the overthrow of the medieval order... The Nazis, of course, but also the British security forces, the founding fathers of America, and the Vatican have all had a part - for good or ill - in the occult conspiracy.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/templars/knights_templars03.htm
Bill,
Spoken as a true die-hard Nea Age Theocrat.
LK, just for you:
"The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established." - Carroll Quigley, member of CFR, mentor to Bill Clinton.
"The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always concealed by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Freemasonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands... A Literary Society is the most proper form for the introduction of our Order into any state where we are yet strangers." (as quoted in John Robinson's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" 1798, re- printed by Western Islands, Boston, 1967, p. 112)
That is New Age Theocrat
Which Protestants are good Protestants, Steve?
LK, who said:
What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea—a "new world order", where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children's future.
The community of nations has resolutely gathered to condemn and repel lawless aggression. Saddam Hussein's unprovoked invasion—his ruthless, systematic rape of a peaceful neighbor—violated everything the community of nations holds dear. The world has said this aggression would not stand, and it will not stand.
Answer:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0900156.html
Sibby, if you don't believe in language, the arts, communication, and critical thought, why in the world do you spend so much time trying to learn how to do it?
LK, in case you are still not convinced:
http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/george-h-bush/
"Sibby, if you don’t believe in language, the arts, communication, and critical thought, why in the world do you spend so much time trying to learn how to do it?"
Because I am a sinful man just like everybody else Bill.
Aren't Mormons New Age Theocrats?
"Which Protestants are good Protestants, Steve?"
That is for God to judge.
sorry: didn't mean to capitalize any of that....
Mr. Sibson,
I followed that link and quickly disregarded it. The many self-contradicting statements, spelling mistakes (I mean, misttakez), poor layout/formatting, and the abundance of links to other unreliable sources clued me off pretty quickly. Starting with the second sentence of the text, " ...to replace monotheistic religions like Christianity and Islam with pagan belief systems and a materialistic worldview, aggressively targeting all religious organizations..." which would suggest they were targeting all other pagan groups, which to me seems counterproductive to their own goals. Would you not agree?
Now, I'm not trying to put you down, and I say this in the most sincerely polite way possible, but the only other people I've ever met that believe these things are teenage girls- the ones who believe Lady Gaga sold her soul to the devil, etc. Maybe you know the ones I'm talking about. We'll just say, they're not usually people you want to have backing you up in a debate. You're free to believe what you'd like, but I think I'll choose to base my beliefs off of reliable, factual information in this case. And if I'm wrong, I'll gladly let you laugh at me and say, "I told you so!" I won't bear any grudge for being wrong about this, but I only say that because I'm aware of the low probability of that actually occurring.
Not that I don't have my own guilty pleasures. I plan to confirm the historical accuracy of The Lord of the Rings soon, right after I prove the feasibility of a Star Wars like scenario occurring within the next 20 years.
LK,
Who said this about who:
"The president-elect is coming into office at a moment when there is upheaval in many parts of the world simultaneously," Kissinger responded. "You have India, Pakistan; you have the jihadist movement. So he can't really say there is one problem, that it's the most important one. But he can give new impetus to American foreign policy partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary around the world. His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a "new world order" can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis."
Answer:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85442
"I’ll choose to base my beliefs off of reliable, factual information in this case."
Spoken as a true die-hard New Age Theocrat. (Man is above God, because man can become a god.)
Glenn Beck or Anwar al Awlaki? Sure, one is dead, killed by a Zionist American Government; but what's the real difference between the two?
"which would suggest they were targeting all other pagan groups"
No, it said montheistic.
"Aren’t Mormons New Age Theocrats?"
Some such as Glenn Beck. We need to watch out for Romney. (What the heck was Thune thinking?)
Milton Friedman: good guy or bad guy, Sibby?
"Agressively targeting ALL RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS." Does the word no longer incite universality? Perhaps I've been speaking too much French lately. Mr. Sibson, I will say you have some expertise in one field, mathematics, because you're the best user of "tangents" I've seen in my life.
Bringing religion into politics quickly demonstrates the need for religion to be considered irrelevant.
As for foreign languages, Bill alluded to other languages such as logic, science and math. Perhaps it makes sense to allow foreign languages as an option, but requiring them makes little sense to those who have no interest in living in another country or needlessly adapting to an invasion of illegal aliens refusing to speak or learn English.
Ignorance of Science and the scientific method are more dangerous to the US than any single individual's ignorance of French, Spanish, Russian, German, Chinese, Japanese, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Italian, Portuguese, etc.
Ignorance of scientific understanding of decision making can also be dangerous and expensive. The link below is worth reading. It perhaps gives reason for studies more necessary than one of a multitude of foreign languages.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/how-dispel-your-illusions/?pagination=false
In any case, if we can believe the ads for some new cellphones, etc. nearly automatic translation will soon be on tiny chips.
[CAH: Doug, I disagree. It makes sense to require everyone to study foreign language. No child can tell me whether he or she will need to use a foreign language when he or she is older. Teaching every child a foreign language opens up important options and may rouse interests and talents that would otherwise never have been realized. Beyond that, as mentioned above, studying foreign language is great brain exercise for every student. Foreign language study improves overall academic abilities.]
...methinks Sibby needs to go back to the Bat Cave and meditate for a couple of decades and cleanse himself from his gross over exposure to the impure material world. Too many internets for you, Sibmeister. Time to take a nice long nappy-poo.
And what I really intended to post instead of the above, was a link to Dakota Today on "Bandage on Stupid".
Elliot, I guess we need to defind "religion". Seems those on the left want to be considered themselves a religiosus movement when it comes to free expression, but not when it comes to establishing a theocracy. That seems to go beyond tangents. And it is the kind of illogic you get out of trolls like Bill Fleming.
Amnesty International condemns US arms and tear gas sales to Egypt
Would Moses have agreed, Steve?
Mr Fleming, CASA Mitchell received your $100 check. Thank you for being a man of your word. Regardless of our differences, your actions in this matter have been noble. Thank you, it goes to a great cause.
Since I misspelled define, I suppose I am no longer considered worthy because I have not reached the perfected status of a god.
My pleasure, Stace. Good suggestion on what to do with the money.
This has been an interesting lesson for me in getting off topic. I'm not saying the turns haven't been useful, just that we (as a collective, myself included) have diverged in a manner that strikes me as Python-esque. I love it.
Ha, and poor Mr. Heidelberger will have to write an encyclopedia to put in his opinion on half of these diversions- on his own blog, nonetheless. Sorry we've so randomly bombed your comments section with a variety of information on such a variety of topics. And an extra sorry for how much of your time this will so surely waste.
Doug: language is essential to understanding ones roots, especially in a society like ours. Teaching Lakota and the other indigenous languages especially in an occupied country like the US could reverse suicide rates now trending at alarming rates that would not be tolerated in more enlightened countries where polyglots are the norm.
But then: South Dakota wants its Native population to perish.
"Teaching Lakota and the other indigenous languages especially in an occupied country like the US could reverse suicide rates"
And I am accused of just making stuff up? Stop, put down the gun, here is a learner's guide on Lakota.
Rep. Nelson: what percentage of your Native CASA clients could have avoided clashes with the Court had they been steeped in their own cultures?
"Ha, and poor Mr. Heidelberger will have to write an encyclopedia to put in his opinion on half of these diversions- on his own blog, nonetheless."
It would be very short and simple:
Due to the expensive to implement K-12 curricula of the New Age Theocrats, social dysfunction has caused a huge need for increased money in the Department of Social Services, Department of Health Services, and the Department of Corrections.
Sibby, I'm betting you have no idea how powerful hearing one's native tongue is to those who have been forced for generations not to speak it. No idea whatsoever.
Bill, America's children have not heard their native tongue since Dewey put the New Age Theocrats in charge of Public Education.
Dewey came at least two centuries after the fact, Steve; christian missionaries, the real New Age Theocrats, began the trend in the New World after co-opting the name of Jesus of Nazareth, a polyglot himself.
"America's" children are the indigenous ones, Sibby. The ones you have apparently never even given a second thought to. The ones your "Christian" heroes subjected to wholesale slavery, pestilence and slaughter.
Sorry BIll, America was not founded a Christian Nation. It was based on greed. Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson were Freemasons fueled by the same Masonic influence that drove the bloody French Revolution. Oh how "enlightened". This world has always been and still is a deprived world. Once you stop believing the propaganda of historians and start analyzing the impact of secret societies, then you will know more than you ever known, but understand even more clearly, that you don't know nearly enough.
larry, my last comment is for you too. You have to be careful attaching the word Chirstian to any movement. The so-called Christian Crusades were not a movement fueled by Jesus. They were fueled by the aforementioned Knights Templar:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/harunyahya19.html
All of the exploitation of the indigenous people of the Americas happened long before that Sibby.
I know all about Jamestown, Virginia Bill.
OMG: I'm starting to get you, Steve. So, how can you support the US Constitution at all?
"So, how can you support the US Constitution at all?"
It is a Biblical principle to obey the government's laws.
Bill and to others, here is a link to material the Public Education's New Age textbooks won't touch:
http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/secretfoundingamerica.html
Since the Gospels are heretical having been written by the Whore of Babylon and you cite Natural Law as your guide to salvation, to which government do you pledge your civil allegiance if the US is illegal in the eyes of God?
Not sure which Bible version you are referring too. I am currently researching the Arian influence on the Bible and have not yet determined which English Bibles contain the Arian heresey. And their are two versions of Natural Law. There is the Enlightened one, which I reject. And then their is the Biblical. Again the Freemason, who were among the so-called Enlightened, made it look like they were using the Biblical. The Religious Right have been confused by this.
Thank you, Steve; very illuminating, indeed. So, if you were born in Cuba, same allegiance to that government as this one?
And, if the United States of Earth were to emerge, a Biblical principle compels you to obey it as well?
And, if the United States of Earth were to emerge, a Biblical principle compels you to obey it as well?
Larry, that would be the Beast of Revelation. We should be no part of it.
I'd have to drink a LOT more water to keep posting in this discussion.
And you'd have to drink a lot more than water to keep reading it.
"Should" is legalese, Steve. When the Bible was penned, the World was a tiny portion of the Fertile Crescent that Jesus escaped (maybe to China or Tibet) and brought an oriental movement to the Roman Empire.
Larry, the problem with trying to keep track of Sibby when he goes "through the looking glass" like this is that just when you start to think you might be starting to get where he might be coming from, he changes his mind and goes off on a totally new thing (usually even goofier) and you have to start all over again.
I was just giving you a breather, Bill.
As a cannabis researcher, my following him is often one blast after another. I totally get his argument but can't quite get a handle on why he is at least as passionate in his politics as I am about my own. We're not so far apart really.
I have often said that Left and Right are curved space who usually meet each other around back and shake hands.
Yes, I know that theory, Larry. First read about it in a book by William Irwin Thompson called "At the Edge of History." Now there's an author for the Sibmeister. If we could get him off on some of those WIT riffs, things could really get entertaining.
p.s. and yes, iP, Sibby indeed seems to be a reluctant, conflicted anarchist. if he can't quite go there, he can at least be a "Pure" Republican.
Peace be with you, readers of Madville....
Good grief the insanity is rampant. From secret sibby societies to the mob rule anarchism of LK I have trouble keeping the Terry Goodkind lines out of my head: people are stupid...
"What do you have against the United States of Earth, Steve?"
Sounds like a great idea, lets extend our constitution over the entire world. I didn't realize you had that imperialistic impulse in you!
Good night, Roger.
Roger,
What the hell are you accusing me of and where I have a advocated it?
You said the United States of Earth. I assumed you meant doing it under a constitution that works rather than giving dominating power to every corrupt dictatorship, nationalistic mob, greedy populist, and murdering thug on the planet. Forgive me if you really intended that one world order that would destroy every vestige of our sovereignty - and most freedom shortly thereafter.
Roger, Larry and LK are two different people. If you want to use Larry Kurtz's initials, type IP. I don't want to have to explain this to you. Just trust me.
Ever hear of the United Federation of Planets, Rog? Consider ip to be its first Temporal Ambassador to Earth.
¿Como es tu Espanol, Senor Beranek?
Roger,
On this thread, I'm responsible for the following comments:
https://madvilletimes.com/2011/12/governor-daugaards-new-norm-he-meant-what-he-said/#comment-38554
https://madvilletimes.com/2011/12/governor-daugaards-new-norm-he-meant-what-he-said/#comment-38381
https://madvilletimes.com/2011/12/governor-daugaards-new-norm-he-meant-what-he-said/#comment-38463
As Bill explained, Larry and I are not the same person.
[CAH: Note also larry kurtz's inclination toward lowercase. If you met both men, you'd understand the physically descriptive aptness of lk and LK.]