- Jun
24
2012
I knew I should have gone to the Republican convention in Sioux Falls this weekend. I could have gotten myself a "Trouble Maker" badge like the ones the SDGOP handed out to their reporter guests David Montgomery and Chet Brokaw.
I was going to get a little hot and bothered at this apparent Republican insult to the press and the First Amendment. If nothing else, you don't slap snarky labels on the journalists who come to provide free publicity for your dog-and-pony show.
But our state Republicans are equal-opportunity insulters. They also slapped a "Trouble Maker" tag on Rev. Rep. Steve Hickey's official convention ID. "All in fun," says the good reverend.
Well, I guess at the point where you are slapping silly labels on professional journalists and on incumbent candidates for public office, the kids running the party are sending a clear message that nothing serious is happening at your state convention. Even the Republican mouthpiece blog Dakota War College has remained silent on events at convention. No photos of Kristi Noem or Bobby Jindal, no video, no tidbits of inside baseball... nothing. Alas, I guess I didn't miss much.
72 Responses to “South Dakota Republicans Insult Free Press & Elected Official, Produce No News”
I thought these were being handed out by the the Rapid City Convention Bureau. They had a big case of them at their table, who knows. I was just a convention guest who had 'big cheese' on my badge. Sounds to me like someone, who wasn't at the convention, is trying to make a story using some pretty vague and false language.
I was told the Rapid City Convention Bureau handed them out, as well. They had a long list of them, like the "plays well with others" one that Stace got, and "official something" that I saw a few others wearing. I didn't find it insulting at all. In fact, the first day of the convention I just had the nametag. They gave me the ribbon the second day, and I put it on myself.
Lighten up Cory.
pedal to the metal, cory: you rock!
seems in bad taste if handed out by Rapid City Convention Bureau.
Sounds much like the republican 14-year old boy thought behind Bill Mahr's recent 3-minute comment. Since some of Bill's tone is NSFW viewers are encouraged to goggle it up on their own.
"Alas, I guess I didn’t miss much." is an understatement. With the Gant / PeePee mess as a background distraction, no one wants to talk about what really is happening.
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Cory, with PeePee probably being told to lay low, I want to know more about Lori Stacey's post http://madvilletimes.com/2012/06/senator-adelstein-denies-secretary-gant-audience-after-impeachment-threat/#comment-63884
The SD GOP may have well as slapped a "Kick Me" sticker on Mr. Montgomery's back. I hope he remembers that when he has a serious task to do, he shouldn't enable people to treat him like a clown.
LOL, the insult to you, Cory, would have been if they told you they wouldn't give YOU a "troublemaker" ribbon.
An old-school marketing guru of mine used to say, "the times ad agencies make money is when there's blood in the streets. So if you can't find trouble, make trouble."
(Of course such behavior is verboten for 'journalists,' right? Anyone? ...anyone? ...Monty?)
It was self serve on these ribbons folks. They had about 15 different ones out on a table and you could pick one for yourself and grab one to rib a friend. No one took Montgomerys name tag and stuck anything on it.
I'm about to relaunch Voicescarryblog to make up for this DWC vacuum. The real story isn't the fun and games nametags
Bet it was a red state/blue-hair special.
Mr. "H," I was there on Thursday when the Rapid City lady first started setting up and was cruising the delegates that were already present at the committee hearings. She persisted in asking if I would allow her to put a pink "Princess" tag on mine. After being accoutered with my flashy "Princess" tag, several of the folks around me then festooned me with a "Plays Well With Others" and a "Trouble Maker" one.
"Princess" is an especially good fit for you, don't you think, Stace? ;^)
Hickey, do tell.
Hard to believe Republicons have a sense of humor
Rev. Rep. Hickey! I welcome the resurgence of Voices Carry and its imminent seizure of DWC's place at the table. You put your name to your words, and your posts are on average much more substantive than the party-line pablum DWC's been feeding us for far too long. Besides, I need a worthy adversary.
The Rapid City folks handed them out? They drive a long way to make bad jokes. Are they trying to give us a preview of their brand of hospitality for when they host convention (is RC in the rotation)?
I bet Mr. PP was behind those horrible festooning ribbons. Don't relent, Mr. H, call the barbarians out!!
I think PP is PooPoohing his pants.
Hey Cory here are a couple questions for your readers. What happened to SD's drinking age when the national standard became age 21? What did SD do when the Federal Government mandated a 55 MPH speed limit during the Oil Embargo of the Jimmy Carter years? What happened to SD's decriminalized under two ounce pot law of the late 70's after the Feds made any amount illegal? What happens if the Supreme Court finds all of Obamacare constitutional and SD does not have health care exchanges in place to accomodate the required changes? Many seem to think that somehow SD can just skirt Federal law once enacted but as we know once the Federal Government enacts a law every state is then subject to follow the mandates of said law or risk losing all Federal payments pertaining to the statute or worse have Federal Agents come into our state and enforce them. Twist, shout, lie, and holler out whatever but the fact remains Federal Supremacy overrules State Statutes.
You should definitely been at the South Dakota GOP Convention in Sioux Falls this weekend!!
All those things were forced down our maw, Mr. Hoffman, and pounded up our collective arse.
So that's why you're all walking funny!
I saw on Voices Carry that Rep. Hickey wants to be Assistant Majority Leader. Isn't there some requirement that he figure out how to pass at least one bill before he leads the rest of them? He's right up there with Brian Liss for effectiveness. Not very successful as a troublemaker either. Rep. Stace Nelson, Rep. Hickey is a tool of the party establishment he wishes to join. Look at his behavior on HB 1234 publicly speaking against it then giving house leadership his vote. If you give your vote to him he will stab you in the back. Just as important as knowing who your enemies are, is knowing who your false friends are.
Rorsch, unlike you I think we have too many laws already and I'm happy to opt out of any vain contest to see who can add more statutes to our already voluminous law books. Even so, do notice I've selected some substantial giants to take on and those take a few tries. A veteran former legislator told me before I ran last term the best thing I can do for my district is to bring common sense to the table and stop the variety of bad ideas people try to pass on the state.
Mr. Hickey for leader. A Conservative with Common Sense!
Common sense is voting for HB1234, then speaking against it, t
hen voting for it again? Your brain is tied in a knot. What you do is the mirror image of common sense, and what you say doesn't match what you do. You put one bad idea HB1234 over the top, and couldn't pass any of your own bills - not a single giant among them. Had another representative primed any of your bills they might have passed. You and Brian Liss are the poster children for ineffectiveness.
My concerns were made public with HB1234 and I said they are serious enough that I couldn't support it. When the bill was changed and my concerns were mainly addressed I voted for it. How hard is that to follow? Please name one other Rep who could have passed a bill limiting payday/title loan interest to 36% and changing the statute of limitations on child sex abuse involving priests. Ineffectiveness has never been something I've struggled with and I'd love to go out to lunch with you so we can compare accomplishments. But then, you'd have to reveal who you are.
how horrifying: what part of being overgodded have you forgotten again, grudz?
@Rorschach With all respect to Rep. Steve Hickey and the giants(?) he took on, Rep. Brian Liss is in a seperate higher class than most in the legislature. He truly served and did not show up to advance his ego or a hidden personal political ambition. Rep. Liss changed the tide of fortunes on numerous bills with his comments and single handedly brought public attention to one of my least favorite bills of my term, HB-1133 (AKA The Lust for Power Bill), and NO I did not vote for it. The bill on its face is UnConstitutional as it subverts the electoral process to allow legislators to be appointed to legislative committees past their terms.
Hello Charlie -- I'm having difficulty trying to figure out how your string of questions to Cory's readers has any relationship to the state GOP convention. Frankly, we South Dakotans don't have time to worry about what federal laws may or may not pass. We're too worried about the state laws that have been approved by you and your party, such as HB1234, and the state laws that have been ignored by you and your fellow lawmakers for years now. Our local school boards would certainly appreciate the following of the state regs that call for state aid increases to be 3 percent annually or the rate of inflation, whichever is less. Instead, state aid increases have been frozen or have been ordered to go backwards by legislators like you. At the same time, state GOP lawmakers aren't bothered as they simultaneously burden school boards with the highly uncertain and sure to be costly HB1234.
Sorry, I have no desire to attend a convention where I would be surrounded by people who enact such poor policy for our state and our children. By the way, I'm sure your convention was a fun time filled with its fair share of blaming Democrats for all of our problems present and past, but the 55 mph speed limit you cited was enacted by a "good" Republican -- Nixon -- before things got messy for him starting 40 years ago.
Historical revisionism Rep. Hickey. "I said [my concerns] were serious enough that I couldn't support [HB1234]". You said that AFTER you already supported it the first time - so you didn't let any concerns stop you. Then you supported it again. You were the vote that ultimately put it over the top in the house. So remind us what were the concerns that would have made HB1234 impossible for you to support? And how were they "mostly addressed"? Then give us some specifics about what common sense you brought to the table. Doesn't every politician claim to have common sense? What bad bills did you have a hand in killing. All I see from you on this site are vague generalities.
You and I don't need to go to lunch to compare accomplishments, Rep. Hickey. I'm not a legislator, and you're not an accomplished one. I just compared your record to the Senator and the other Rep. in your district and they both have some accomplishment to point to for this term. The only thing you have is some prayer in public school thing that isn't even enforceable. Where's the common sense in empty gestures, and bad ones at that?
No revisionism. Reread my blog posts on this vote. It's exactly as I said.
Dave, We all have our differences of opinion and can express them any way we legally choose to do so. Good thing too that in America folks like Rorschach can lambast truly good and honest politicians like Steve Hickey without any ramifications other than being hit back on a blog.
But let me get into why my previous post was actually important for the GOP convention. I made a motion to table the amendment being put forth by Rep. Russell which alluded to striking down Obamacare by the State Legislators. Then while trying to explain why putting health care exchanges into place for the event that O-Care is found to be Constitutional "WE" run the thing instead of the FEDS coming into our State and taking it over. The 55 MPH, Pot law, and drinking age were three things the FEDS pushed down our respective throats and we ended up eating them. They were no different than what we would be forced to do if O-Care is not stricken. Unless the folks who want to not follow Federal Laws wish to burden SD Citizens with hundreds of millions of dollars of new taxes covering the Fed. payments to our state lost if we do not comply. This pesky Federal Supremacy thing comes into play. So it really does matter; unless you want to make up your own rules and play alone.
Besides all this while I was speaking the Strong Voices of Reason behind me BOOED loudly for they could not bear to hear any opposing thoughts being properly announced at our GOP meeting. That was the first time in my life I was booed in public. For a German to say that he would ever forget that would be lying.
Then to top it all off a member of this group put out nice green flyers comparing leadership in the SD House of Reps to that of Foreign Communist and Marxist leaders.
The earth haters voted to approve Common Core Standards yet hosted creationist, Bobby Jindal, who advocates teaching some bizarro texts including those from Hickeyland:
"Thousands of Louisiana students will receive state voucher money, transferred from public school funding, to attend private religious schools. The Loch Ness Monster Is Real; The KKK Is Good: The Shocking Content of Publicly Paid for Christian School Textbooks." AlterNet.
Your first public booing? Charlie, we've booed you here plenty of times. ;-)
I understand the point: Charlie is offering the "minimal compliance" response that we've heard the administration and other Republicans give to Tea Party nullificationists. They can talk big, but do they really want to give up the funding and remaining state control that's tied with the measures South Dakota has passed to comply with the Affordable Care Act?
Charlie's point gets me thinking about an extension of the argument: South Dakota has submitted to all of the federal mandates he listed, yet no Marxist revolution has taken place. The Republic has not collapsed. Is the Affordable Care Act any different?
Cory, it's not affordable.
Charlie, first public booing? You need to come over to one of our cracker barrels. The Argus once reported "Hickey made himself the target of boos when he said...". I'm saving "target of boos" on my short list of possible titles if I write an autobiography some day. I also thought of "dartboard for anonymous pricks" because that's how it feels out here on these blogs. ;-)
if you can't stand the heat, hickey, don't lay your balls on the sidewalk.
Language I never thought I'd read from a minister, Rev. Hickey. You're projecting. The truth I wrote apparently hurts your large ego. But the facts I stated speak for themselves.
Steve, are you talking about the mega-policy issue of PPACA busting the federal budget (it won't), or are you saying South Dakota will incur more mandated spending at the state level than it will lose in federal dollars if it doesn't implement? While we're on the topic, just what dollars do we lose if we don't minimally comply with PPACA?
Steve: where are your congregation's financials posted?
All of the above.
Rorschach , I'm careful what comes out of my mouth because my name and profession are tied to it. When I've crossed the line I've recanted . Sorry my candor hurt your feelings.
Larry you can write to my office and request them.
Rorschach , self confidence is a good thing right? What's the difference between it and ego ?
Charlie, why don't we just tell the truth: Obamacare/Romneycare/Daugaardcare are taxpayer/debt-passed-on-to future-Americans gifts to the Big Insurance companies and the Healthcare Corporate monopolies (such as Sanford). Both parties want as they need campaign money from these very deep pockets.
And to Cory's post subject: I am working on a post to show how special interest lobbyists worked to further the SDGOP Establishment's attack on the conservative principle of a competitive free market system during the platform committee process at the convention.
And Mr. Hickey seems to know all too well that conservative principles have to be thrown under the bus if you want to be welcomed to SDGOP leadership.
There you have it, South Dakota: let's all write to Steve's church.com to request the posting of its financials. Note that there is a store where "The Faithful" can buy stuff.
Hickey writes: "Rorschach, self confidence is a good thing right? What’s the difference between it and ego?"
Great question, Steve, and I believe an important enough one to hazard an answer. The "ego" and the "self" are not the same thing. The ego is a construct of the self. An invention.
The fact that many identify with the ego and confuse it with the self is thus a demonstration of a lack of self-confidence.
In other words "egoism" and "self-confidence" are antonyms, not synonyms.
We aren't posting financials online but go ahead write for them. Maybe I'll end up getting a raise because as I've said it isn't just teacher pay in SD that is low, so is police officer pay, and clergy pay. And there are 4 items in the "store." Hundreds of podcasts and CDs are free. Yes I do charge for my books. I might recommend a few podcasts for you Larry on how to get free of deep seated anger and bitterness.
I'm already living in the Promised Land, Rev. Now it's time to expose those like you selling tickets to it.
Charlie: What other motions were considered at the convention? I can imagine, for example, Russell adding amendments to his anti-Obamacare resolution to also include allowing South Dakotans to discard the federal yoke of Social Security. After all, the federal government has been taxing Americans for years and forcing us to buy into a particular retirement plan that they control and which contains no guarantee of repayment.
Medicare is another program similar to Social Security. Workers are forced to buy into a government approved insurance program every payday again without any guarantee of repayment. I'm sure state Republicans took action at their convention to free us from the federal shackles that force us to take part in that "horrible" government healthcare system. Bet there was a unanimous vote for South Dakota to completely opt-out of all Veterans Administration services, too. Thank God! Hammer home that message, SD GOP. Don't tread on us, big bad federal government, even though you send us South Dakotans more federal dollars each year than we collectively pay.
I'm sure mainstream media is just slow to catch-up on everything that happened at the convention, and that eventually we'll hear about the resolutions you GOPers passed calling for the closing of Ellsworth and the end of federal crop subsidy payments to SD farmers. Ah, freedom, sweet freedom! Don't tread on us, Washington!!
What's your Promised Land, Larry? The rez? CATG has sent lots of no strings attached money that way. You're welcome. How about I not disparage your religion and you discontinue disparaging mine? You know, tolerance.
Earth haters claiming to be christians deserve no tolerance: the money changers were allegedly jettisoned from the temple some time ago.
What's up with you calling everyone an earth hater? I love the earth and thank God for it. We ought to take care of it and not destroy it. Here's a little tidbit for you: I oppose fracking and the pipeline (for different reasons). Really, you are angry and are settling far short if you think you've arrived at any sort of Promised Lamb.
If you have an 'R' after your name you support the earth hater platform, Steve. You have confessed that you are proud to say one thing then vote the establishment line.
Speaking of taking on giants in the legislature, Rep. Stace Nelson holds the all-time record for that. The leadership of his own party tried to silence him. They tried to drum him out. They tried to redistrict him out. They tried to stink him out of his home. He's still there stronger than ever fighting for open and accountable government. While I don't agree with some of what he stands for, I agree with much. And I respect his fortitude. There's someone who tackles giants.
I don't care for "earth-hater" any more than I like hearing anti-abortion people calling women's rights activists "baby-killers."
The terms are used to inflame, not elighten.
That said, there is a certain logic to Larry's assertion, not to mention an interesting anagram (rearrange the letters in the word "earth" and you get "hater.")
Ultimately, the goal of Christian theology is to leave the planet and go live somewhere else more perfect.
I hold that the Judeo/Christian theology is thus a fear management system whereby the perils of an earthbound existance are subdued by attemts to control nature and find divine justice in natural catastrophe.
Indeed, oftentimes the actions of God the Father himself could be described as "earth hater." This is of course an attempt to anthropomorphize nature in order to understand and control it. (i.e. that "ego" thing Hickey likes to talk about.)
Rep. Hoffman,
Watch out for the crocs and the deep water as you are clearly in da Nile. :-D
Not to rub salt in your ego; however, you were BOOOED by a huge percent of the delegates from ACROSS the floor of the convention. Sen. Rhoden was jeered by an equal amount when he attempted to chastise SD Republicans for daring to drag ideas they wanted addressed out on to the convention floor for the delegates to decide, vice be dictated to. Clearly you two have substituted the idea of pre-killing bills (and in this case, ideas) in select committees as your ideas of "opposing thoughts being properly announced" The delegates did not share the same view.
Bill, I hesitate to steer further off topic and engage you in your misunderstanding of the goal of Christian theology. For sure there are many who think the goal is to get off the planet but that is subsiding. Classic Christian Theology isn't about leaving the earth, it's about Jesus coming back. I and many others make a case that even the new earth is this earth not some new planet. And heaven as we know it today is temporary, the Bible says we are coming back. My course last year on Nature and Nature's God was about natural disasters and in light of what you wrote above I know you would have found it interesting. Christian theology isn't fear-based although you've obviously been exposed to those who portray it that way. Love is the key. Do you have a fish tank? If you do, notice the glass walls are there not because you are mean to your fish. They are there to keep them alive and happy. All the commandments serve that same purpose.
fish in a barrel: how aptly conservative.
Rep. Hoffman, I would think by now you would have gotten an idea NOT to accept things on face value from our current batch of House "Republican leaders" without serious investigative effort to verify the veracity of their claims. Rep. Gosch's public claims that I authored, printed, and handed out the YELLOW flyers delegates received at the convention as some of us were leaving, is as big a fabrication as when he told people I threatened to kill Nick Moser. The claim is his ego attempting to calm his wounded pride from the realization that people from across this state have gotten their number.
Hicky, it's one thing to describe what the church teaches, and quite another to describe how people understand those teachings. You are correct to observe that the teachings are evolving as they must. And yes, I think an extended conversation with you on this topic would me interesting, provided you drop the pretense that you know more about what you are talking about than I do. You don't.
Bill, if you have credentials in Christian Theology I was unaware of them. The teachings aren't evolving - I restated the classic view.
Yes, apparently, you were unaware of them. No problem, now you know, Steve. Reread my post so as not to continue to misinterpret what I wrote as you have thus far.
"I and many others make a case that even the new earth is this earth not some new planet."
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Bill, which definition of fear are you applying?
Stace please don't bring Rep. Gosch into this as I for one respect his candor and intellect. (My sheet of misled biggotted lies was GREEN; and stuck under my windshild wiper.) He is far right of those WE oppose. Fracturing our party over a princpled fact that South Dakota, (Dave is exactly correct in his assumptions) does have a huge stake in following at least the letter of the law in maintaining a very healthy take of Federal monies. How high do you propose our sales tax to become once we have weaned ourselves from all Federal dollars? Please answer this question. For if you cannot than it seems that some of US are picking out certain high media blitzes covering Obamacare, guns and immigration for furthering their personal view of the political spectrum. But now that the Supreme Court just found three of the four parts of the AZ IMM law unconstitutional one can assume the legisation coming next year will be somewhat different in that regard. Police do have a right to check legal status after having legally stopping anyone, but it is open for further constitutional review. Lets hope they were being somewhat kind to Obama before trashing the Affordable Health Care Act or it's mandate. Even Joel Heitkamp, former ND Legislator and talk radio star agrees that the mandate is something new but without it the Nat. Healthcare Act dies.
The law works well when it takes very small baby steps one way or another. By setting up healthcare exchanges and visiting with many on why we needed to do so I found not one Republican in favor of Obamacare being implemented. Attorney General Jackley was all in taking it to the Supreme Court for either validation or expulsion. As I have stated before there are those of us who wish somehow to divide the party by accusing many of being either too soft or too far left of center or not far right enough. Again I ask just how far right do we want to go? Don't become a Gingrich Stace.
"How high do you propose our sales tax to become once we have weaned ourselves from all Federal dollars?"
Charlie, ever consider reducing spending instead. We can start by eliminating the Dept of Ed and the Dept of Economic Development and have true local control of education and a competitive free market.
Rep. Hoffman,
Then clarify who is the "member of this group put out nice green flyers comparing leadership in the SD House of Reps to that of Foreign Communist and Marxist leaders?"
The sleeping old dog was kicked Saturday when I was informed by Mr. Montegomery that Rep. Gosch was claiming I authored, printed, & handed out the yellow one we received as we walked out of the convention hall.
So, explain yourself.
I would think you would take what you saw at the convention as an answer to your own question as far as how Republican South Dakotans expect their party to be. SD Republicans are conservative, as exhibited by your own experience, Sen. Rhoden's, and the platform additions & emphasis that was added. I support the entire platform that was passed, and that is the pedigree that South Dakota Republicans claim makes up a SD Republican. Do you?
Sibby - His Kingdom is not of this world but it most certainly is IN it. It's FROM another place -heaven - but it's coming here. Your other planetary insinuations of the Kingdom are Mormon-esque. My statement refers to the ex-nihilo (out of nothing) creation of the earth language that we find in Genesis not being the language we find for God making the new earth in Revelation. In short, the text lends to the view that God will remake this planet not a new one. For me this is a major point in redemption because at present all creation groans for it and Jesus' work on the Cross didn't just win redemption for people, the entire created order is redeemed. The alternative is to concede that the devil won everything but a few people. But, why are we talking theology here? Your attempts to misrepresent my views on a so-called Dominion theology are disappointing. You've never heard me teach and you try to smear me with links to my professor friend Dr. C. Peter Wagner. Swing and miss, brother. Peter and I disagree on four major theological points but so what. Again it's evident you sport a degree from the University of Google.
"By setting up healthcare exchanges and visiting with many on why we needed to do so I found not one Republican in favor of Obamacare being implemented. "
Obamacare is implemetnation of Romneycare, conservative anti-Obamacare Republicans don't have a dog in the presidential race.
Go back to SB38 committee hearings and see who testified in support...Big Insurance. Then go read Daschle's book and see what his strategy to implement universal healthcare. And who is on Daschle's DC healthcare task force...former governor Mike Rounds, as in Fischer Rounds.
"In short, the text lends to the view that God will remake this planet not a new one."
2 Peter 3:7-13
7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
Nothing in that verse contradicts what I wrote. Read up on this issue Sibby in real books that deal with the Greek words in that text. I'm done here.
Steve, I have been reading and I will continue to read. My latest read says instead of going to the Greek, we should also seek out the Hebrew in regard to the New Testament. I have produced two Biblical texts that clearly contradicts your position. I would hope a good legislator would be able to produce a better response than "I’m done here".
Charlie, in regard to Republican's view on Obamacare: When the average US citizen is informed of all that Obamacare has to offer them, they usually favor it. Well, they don't favor "Obamacare," because that title has been so vilified, but they do support and desire the services that Obamacare has to offer.
I wonder if the Repubs you talked with know more than the few, usually shouted, always distorted "facts" that make up Repub talking points for Obamacare?
Hello Steves Hickey and Sibson...
Maybe the two of you can get together for a bible study over coffee. But for the greater good of "Madville" congregation...just tell us how this will affect your governance of South Dakota and all the faiths that reside within.
Don't make me characterize you guys in terms of "The Real Housewives of South Dakota" again...although you both seem to fit into the drama queen profile.
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