The accusation that racist thugs in a VIP box threw insults and beer at kids from the American Horse School at a Rapid City Rush hockey game Saturday appears all the more substantive and serious. The Rapid City Police Department is gearing up to throw the book at the alleged malefactors:
Rapid City Police Chief Karl Jegeris said his officers know the identity of at least one person whose conduct was "scorching of your soul" when he insulted and threw beer on a group of Native American students at the Rush hockey game last Saturday at the Rushmore Plaza Civic Center.
Police Chief Karl Jegeris made the announcement at a press conference that followed a 2 1/2-hour closed-door meeting that included parents of the children, American Horse School officials, Oglala Sioux Tribal representatives, Mayor Sam Kooiker, police and the Pennington County State's Attorney's office.
"We're going to be looking at assault. We're going to look at the hate crimes statutes. We will look at the child abuse statutes. And, we will look at any other relevant statutes," Jergeris said of charges that may be filed against the person or people who participated in the harassment of the students [Andrea J. Cook, "Jegeris: Police Have Identified One Person Suspected of Insulting Native American Students," Rapid City Journal, 2015.01.28].
Chief Jegeris caught some grief last month over what seemed to be an effort to hinder a Lakota protest downtown, but turned out to be seeking dialogue working in the best interest of the protestors and public safety. On this case of racist bullying of children, he seems to making clear that he will stand for equal treatment under the law for all residents and visitors.
And on top of racist piggery, who did these brutish hockey fans think they were to pick on children, who'd earned their trip to the big-town hockey game as a reward for their work at school? As Mato Standing High, attorney for four of the harassed children's parents says, this behavior should outrage all parents:
"They're your children, too. If you live in South Dakota, these are your children," he said. "It doesn't matter where they live. It doesn't matter what color their skin is. If they live in South Dakota, they are your children, too" [Cook, 2015.01.28].
Chief Jegeris appears to take that message to heart. Rapid City has some ugly bullies. It also appears to have a police chief who is prepared to shut those bullies down.
It's incidents like this that rightly place our state in a bad light, this incident has gained national attention and makes all South Dakotans look like racist jerks. I wish Rapid City authorities the best of luck in their investigation of this incident. I hope the non-racists who were in the VIP box and didn't participate yet were to afraid to tell their fellow box members to cut out the crap will now find in their hearts the courage to come forward, name names and tell the police the truth about events of they witnessed that night. Doing the right thing has long term benefits.
Mato is a Spearfish boy: he and my stepson were inseparable. I hope he guts these racist jerks and feeds their entrails to the crows.
I agree, Nick. The best place to stop those things from happening is right where it's happening. If you see it, stop it. Everybody has a cell phone these days. Call it in. No excuses.
Just disturbing, at least RCPD is taking it seriously this time. I've notified all the MN news stations on this. I get tired of hearing about how most Rapid City people are not racist but yet these incidents happen quite frequently. When are Rapid City people, SD Leadership and the people of SD going to step up and take a stand to change this? Like Bill said, anybody with a cell phone could have reported it immediately, walked over to security, even filmed it, but no one spoke out.
I'm in full support of charges against anyone who threw beer at children - because that should merit assault and/or battery charges.
However, is insulting someone (regardless of how tasteless those insults may be) now a crime? Sorry to be the one to say it... but I don't agree with that. Like it or not, those individuals have the right to free speech, and any effort to prevent that does more harm than good. I don't have to like what someone says in order to defend their right to say it.
That being said, there are still repurcusions to said speech - and they should be held accountable. Just because the words don't warrant criminal charges does not mean that their names can't be made public so that everyone can identify the racists by name. Any special benefits they received from having access to a VIP box should be revoked (and frankly the box owner/holder should have their access revoked as well since they are ultimately responsible for the individuals in their VIP box), their names should be printed in the Rapid City Journal for all to see, and there are a number of other responses which should ensure they are punished for their actions.
There are very few things a person can say that are illegal - so do we really want to be a nation where someone can be arrested for saying something that offended someone else? I'm guessing not, and I'm also guessing Jegeris knows this but is making his statements more for the benefit of the cameras than the benefit of law.
On a side note - how can we NOT know who was in the box? We know where the tickets went originally... it is simple matter of following them from that point. If someone has difficulty remembering who they gave the tickets to, then perhaps their name being printed in association with this story will help improve their memory.
Racial insults should not be allowed ever,especially towards children. 1st Amendment can screw itself.
Craig- here's the definition of Hate Crime in SD law.
http://legis.sd.gov/Statutes/Codified_Laws/DisplayStatute.aspx?Type=Statute&Statute=22-19B-1
I'm no lawyer, but I believe that because their disgusting speech was coupled with acts of violence, it is considered a hate crime.
Should not be to hard to identify who was in the high dollar viewing stand. I am glad to see the city taking this serious matter as a serious matter. This does appear to be a hate crime and as such, it must be dealt with openly and quickly. The only way to prevent these kinds of actions in the future, is to punish the perpetrators to the full extent of the law of the people.
Such conduct is unacceptable from anyone. There maybe legal liability for those who allowed it to occur.
Before people get to ginned up about wanting people's heads over this, maybe some review of the nasty personal comments on here is in order?
Those who launch such juvenile personal attacks against Sibby, Cory, etc., etc. Are just as guilty as those mentioned here.
Too bad there was not video and audio of this incident. I would have to imagine the facility has at least basic video for security and liability purposes.
'Those who launch such juvenile personal attacks against Sibby, Cory, etc., etc. Are just as guilty as those mentioned here.'
No, DD, sorry. They are not. Let's not minimize the ugliness of what happened to those kids, and routinely to our American Indian brothers and sisters by comparing it to meaningless banter on political blogs.
One can tell the commitment and dedication to improving tribal relations by the silence from the RC legislative contingent of Conzet, Gosch, Solano, Craig, Jensen, Sly, Dryden, Partridge and Tieszen...not to mention the silence out of Daugaard's office.
DD- Don't be silly. Sibby, Cory and the others are not elementary aged children. This is a story about assault, hate crimes and child abuse. This isn't about "name calling." Reducing it to a story about name calling heaps additional pain on to the young children who were victims of this crime by cheapening it and making it out to be less than what it was.
Mr Fleming, we will have to agree to disagree. Ugliness is ugliness regardless the color of the skin of those giving or receiving it.
We have sketchy details of what transpired. What concerns me is the "negative evidence." the lack of facility video/audio, video / audio from cell phones.
As we have seen in the recent past in other communities across the USA that were consumed by violence and hatred, I think it is fool hearty to rush to judgment until all the facts are known.
If a thorough and impartial investigation determines these students were without fault, were preyed upon, assaulted, and accosted? Throw the book at the guilty party(s).
Personally, there's too many unanswered questions for me.
http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/01/in-s-d-come-for-the-hockey-stay-for-the-racism/
And the national headlines begin with MPR picking up on this sad story.
DD and yet you made a judgement about others' guilt. You can walk your first comment back if you like, but you can't let it stand with your later admission that you don't know what happened. Both cannot be true. In brief, you're not disagreeing with me, my friend, you are disagreeing with yourself.
Just another day in the ditch that is Rapid City.
I got the same feeling as Chief Jegeris when I read about the incident, that hollow feeling in the pit of your stomach. For those that say the Chief is only speaking for the cameras, you don't know the Chief, do you? And, yes, free speech is not a crime. Was this free speech or hatred? Adults calling children names and tossing beer at them is NOT FREE! You ought to PAY!
Mike: "1st Amendment can screw itself."
Like it or not, protected freedoms should not only apply to a specific class of citizens. We have seen what that type of thinking has led to - and we have yet to recover.
@Megan - I'll let the lawyers debate it, but I'm all for prosecuting the physical act... I just don't believe insults should be a crime (no matter how disgusting they may be).
As Evelyn Beatrice Hall once said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
@DD - your analogy might have merit if anyone here ever tried to pour a beer over Steve's head. I'm assuming that hasn't happened. Ever. But rest assured if it does occur, that the pesron(s) responsible should be held accountable just as the idiots who poured beer on kids should be.
Loren: "Was this free speech or hatred?"
In some nations, hate speech is illegal.... but not in the US. Ask yourself if that is a line you wish to cross, because it becomes increasingly difficult to determine what constitutes "hate" speech vs. "strongly dislike" speech, vs. offensive speech, vs. tasteless speech.
People can (and should) be held accountable for their words and they aren't immune to reactions to those words. However, suggesting those words should be illegal only serves to trample upon the civil rights afforded to all of us. In this case, the offending persons could have their names printed in the media so everyone knows who they are. They can be banned from future events at that facility, and depending upon who they are there is a chance they will have many personal repurcussions as well. If they are business owners they will likely suffer a financial loss, if they have friends or family who disagree with their views they may be shunned... there are many effects of these types of statements - but I don't feel our government should be in the business of prosecuting people for their speech regardless of how much I hate what is being said.
Craig,I stand by my statement,racial insults towards children should not be allowed. It isn't the words,it is the context they were used in. Racial threats(hate) against children.
Mr Fleming, one can agree that the reported conduct is unacceptable on its face value. I think a person can abhor the image this incident reportedly represents while holding out final judgment.
@Craig It is my understanding that Sibby. And Cory were victim to actual assaults on their livelihoods, reputation, etc., by those who disagree with them. Assaults that lasted longer than the irritating, albeit temporary, alleged dousing. Plenty of cases where such "online" verbal assaults translated into physical violence.
DD indeed, if that is your position, have at it, as long as you are then willing to admit that your statement:
"Those who launch such juvenile personal attacks against Sibby, Cory, etc., etc. Are just as guilty as those mentioned here."
is meaningless, since by your own admission, you don't really know what specific actions you are describing when you refer to "those mentioned here." Nor do you have, it seems, any idea of what you mean by using the word "guilty."
Admit to those, and you're off the hook. Otherwise, my entreaty remains:
"Let's not minimize the ugliness of what happened to those kids, and routinely to our American Indian brothers and sisters by comparing it to meaningless banter on political blogs."
Mr. Fleming, your laborious examination and cross-examination of simple prose reminds me of the defilade prompted inquiry as to the definition of the word "is" by William Jefferson Clinton.
Both could be concluded to be inspired by the shared recollection of past transgressions.
Pointed ugliness in print is self-evident. Rumored ugliness is more sinister as it invites the imagination to take liberties.
I remain "off the hook" (and allegedly off my rocker), as I reject the terms of your treaty..
or the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors.
"Both could be concluded to be inspired by the shared recollection of past transgressions."
Only if you want to put yourself in the position of having reached yet another false conclusion, as you appear to be peculiarly inclined to do.
Again by way of clarification for your nitpick,
Let's not minimize the ugliness of what [is alleged to have] happened to those kids, and routinely to our American Indian brothers and sisters by comparing it to meaningless banter on political blogs.
Better?
Mr Fleming, levity appears not to be my forte.
Racism is alive and well, there are equally ugly stereo typing and ignorance perpetrated on many different people. I don't perceive one form of ugliness to be any less than another. That is not minimizing the ugliness reported here.
As the saying goes, you are preaching to the choir, we're just on a different note.
"Mr Fleming, levity appears not to be my forte."
Nor perhaps mine. If you were indeed joking, I appear to have missed the humor. Wouldn't be the first time. I am, after all, part English. ;-)
Disgusted,
The operative word in the Chief's comment is investigation. We don't know whether or not there is any audio or video, do we? Perhaps someone has come forward with some evidence.
For the Free Speech advocates, if hate speech was prosecutable crime our courts would be jammed full of the culprits that yell racial slurs at children and those that get on Cory and Sibson's case.
Free Speech has consequences, maybe not legal, but consequences none the less. People have lost their jobs or been demoted, politicians have had to apologize for their comments and in some cases have had to resign their office. The list goes on.
If you choose to throw beer, not spill, on children of any color and call them foul names and use Free Speech as a defense, you are not only a coward, but the prosecutor would laugh his ass off.
Another comment that has been getting attention on the Rapid City Journal comment section is that there is another side of the story and those asking if the children had any culpability in the incident, someone mentioned that above.
By all means let's hear the other side of the story, why won't these child abusers man up and tell their side of the story?
When it comes to assault, hate crimes, and child abuse, victims have NO culpability what so ever, NONE. If there is and was a adult involved, he holds all the culpability.
Heck, everyone can claim they've been verbally assaulted on the internet, especially places like facebook. Sometimes it's hard to follow you, DD. Are you saying Cory and Sibby have been verbally or is it physically assaulted ? Because all Madvillians here know that Sibby has verbally assaulted other people's religious beliefs and biblical interpretations on here as well. He knows exactly what he is doing when he comes onto a progressive blog and attacks people with his anti-New Age obsession. Sibby uses us for entertainment in my opinion since he gets no traffic on his own blog.
By the way, isn't it sad that there has been no press releases denouncing this hate sent out from your SD Leaders that are supposed to represent all of the people in SD. Daugaard, Thune, Rounds and Noem could do a lot to ease racial tensions in West River SD but they choose not to. The same goes for every legislator sitting in Pierre - dem or 'pub. I've never seen anything like it. There is racism in MN also, but we have leaders that will protest with us at the Capital, in the small towns, everywhere.
We can always count on Gov Dayton, a true leader, to take a stand against racism.
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/231062001.html
Speaking of Sibby, I see that he's fired up his old blog and changed the logo. Good for him. It's easier to see what he's talking about when he can just lay it all out without interruption.
Cory banned him here again. Sibs couldn't behave.
Pat's putting up with him for now but that won't last. What if Sibby is really Jesus?
" Are you saying Cory and Sibby have been verbally or is it physically assaulted ? Because all Madvillians here know that Sibby has verbally assaulted other people's religious beliefs and biblical interpretations on here as well."
The verbal assault by the beer throwers was, "go back to the rez". How is that different from telling me to go back to my blog that has no traffic?
Bill & Jenny, your level of bigotry as on par with the beer throwers.
People on the rez tend to hate traffic.
See there, DD, Jenny's right. Sibby comes on right away and calls two of us bigots. Case closed.
Since an investigation is underway why not let that happen before drawing conclusions?
Bill, you just supported DD's claim that proof of racism is yet to be proven. If you and Jenny are not bigots, then the beer throwers are not racists for telling the hockey players to go back to the rez. That kind of talk is common among spectator sports. I heard it in high school all the time. Certainly childish though.
Wonder if the offenders were christians?
Sibby, sorry, I didn't hear anything about anyone telling any hockey players to go back to the rez.
Mr Fleming, I have immense respect for you as a creative, intelligent, and thoughtful person. I can say the same about Cory, Sibby, Gordon Howie, Bernie Hunhoff, etc., etc. For the most part, all of those people have several things in common, they generally speak their heart without guile. That is to be admired, encouraged, and defended.
I have less patience for the Pat Powers, Steve Hickeys, Mike Rounds, etc., of the world who deal in rhetorical prostitution.
Bullying is bullying. Whether we justify it because of someone's religious views, political views, or color of their skin, it makes us all less.
We need to get back to the understanding that it is okay to disagree on issues without being disagreeable. I am a poor role model or conduit for such a noble calling as I am contrary by nature. I have little stock in the virtuous acumen of patience.
Sounds good, DD. And thank you.
Sibby, here's the latest. Better brush up, bud. http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/jegeris-police-have-identified-one-person-suspected-of-insulting-native/article_5e2cba3e-00f2-5bfe-b4dc-22e58d5b5b7d.html
Do biblical christians drink beer, Sib?
Bill, read the facebook account in the link Jenny provided. Glad you agree that the beer throwers are not racist for telling the hockey players to go back to the rez. (but throwing beer is another issue) With that understood, I am sorry I said you and Jenny were bigots for telling me to go back to Sibby Online. Perhaps you all are learning about the dangers inherent in cultural Neo-Marxism. Sad that such actions but fear in people and promotes racism.
Are you Jesus, Sibby? If we touch your garment will we stop reading Marx?
Yesterday on Sibson's blog he said that Cory and Powers blackballed him and that was part of the reason for his return to blogging.
What gives? Did Sibson just lie to us?
Roger, I did say Cory blackballed me. I am here now via a proxy. I did not say powers blackballed me, but the SDGOP Establishment has.
I agree with DD. I do appreciate those who come from the heart. Most of you are that way, and that is why I come here. Jenny is wrong. It is not because of entertainment value. It is because the give and take should help all of us, especially me, to learn. I am thinking about making Sibby Online more active. Time is the only constraint.
Talk to you all later.
A Sibson Proxy?
"Alcohol, unfairly, is a deciding factor in the current judiciary system here in Rapid City. Persons are getting away with murder literally, while others are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Each case must go through the assembly line court proceedings with standardized methods for prosecuting cases."
http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/016277.asp
Roger, Sounds like the title of a sci-fi spy movie, right? "The Sibson Proxy."
"In a world where blacklisting can send you back to the Unicorn Ranch for eternity or longer, Steve Mitchell finds a dim ray of hope. But first he must face Metatron Powers of the Dark Side before he can find the key to... The Sibson Proxy. Rated PG16. Adult language, very brief nudity, offbeat sexual situations."
Fleming, that is funny! I always get a laugh from you dudes everyday! Usually it is the other Bill, but you can be amusing too.
Yeah, Jenny, I need a trigger. Dithmer is his own trigger. LOL
Telling Native Americans to go back to the rez is racist. Telling them to go home is not racist. With or without beer.
Bill,
Absolutely Sibson By Proxy sounds like a goo sci-fi title, and I like your scenario.
And after all, Sibson's writing are mostly science fiction in the first place.
"Sibson By Proxy" Even better. More mysterious.
jenny, at 14:00 or so, i like what you say but perhaps winning a republican election does not make one a leader.
Throwing beer on people and challenging their chaperone to a fight are all criminal acts, the racist rhetoric makes it a hate crime, and all the worse because it was against children.
Good to see though that y'all have made it about yourselves and idiotic conversations about the First Amendment despite real laws governing hate crimes that someone at least did post a link to.
There were witnesses, folks, no technical footage needed.
rock'n roll sib-"should i stay or should i go"...dah dah dah dahdah dah!
I'm not making it about myself, Tasiya. I would like the people of SD to take a stand against this kind of hate and racism. Looks like that's too much to ask for, though, even from your elected leaders. The lack of leadership on amending relations is so, so disgusting to me, and I realize that most South Dakotans just don't care enough. A Senator Weiland would not have ignored this issue.
http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0716/Roy-Rogers-Trigger-along-with-dog-Bullet-sold-to-Nebraska-TV-network-at-auction
Trigger and bullet are in Omaha at RFD channel.
dd-would a "thorough, impartial investigation" have elected your Sen. Rounds after the EB5 debacle?
the concern is whether ferguson, rapid city, the nat'l GOP, and Daugaard's South Dakota are capable of producing that.
Jenny,
You are correct about our failed leadership when it comes to racial incidents in this state.
Today's Rapid City Journal editorial dealt with this racial incident and calling out citizens that witnessed it and other acts of racism to come forward and in the future to say something, do something, call authorities; Don't Remain Silent when there is a wrong.
They did stop short of calling our elected; federal, state and local, to take a stand. All Republicans in the food chain from Rounds and Thune down to Rapid City's mayor have been mum. Is that intentional? Is their silence a signal that racist behavior should be tolerated in Rapid City and the state?
The longer the silence from our elected leaders, the more it supports the notion of them supporting racism.
Leaders that cannot lead are not leaders at all.
interesting indianz.com article, larry; perhaps our states attorney and deputies of Penn. Cnty will learn from such huddles as appropriately occurred for 2 1/2 hours with concerned parties. the nation is watching in this time of Ferguson.
alcohol abuse is a biggie, common as sin, a big part of the civic center experience, and acceptable to greater society. it is just the most obvious chemical means so many of us use to "relax, escape, and enjoy ourselves."
prosecution, on the other hand, would seem sacred in that the victim, the perpetrator, and their families are usually very negatively effected by the "grinding wheels of justice".
the prosecutors and the judges have to better understand the deep damage the cookie cutter approach Indianz.com touched upon, has on everyone witnessing the process. whole lives, careers, reputations, families and relationships are permanently changed, often for the worse, for years, and decades; and freedom and equality sometimes disappear for those that can't "afford it".
Compassion is learned over many years and fortunately our judges are older. young prosecutors fresh out of school may not understand the full effect of their zealousness.
Roger, let's not forget that Marty Jackley is too busy getting ready to run for higher office to be disturbed by this blatant act of racism against children.
Incompetence or indifference?
Roger, you have written an excellent summary of SD's elected "leaders" -and I use that word sarcastically- regarding racist behavior in this state.
Republicans' continued fostering, or silent endorsement, of racism can't doom them fast enough. I suspect only the egalitarian Republicans will be elected by the minority majorities in the near future.
Bill, Jenny, and Roger:
Your latest reactions prove your bigotry and hatred. You are no better than the beer throwers. Mocking those you disapprove of is the very source of racism.
leslie, the GOP is about lip service and sand pounding so expect nothing to change in rapid city: a boycott would only get replies of 'good riddance' from the christian hordes who run the place.
Sibby's neighbors are good christians, too:
https://madvilletimes.com/2012/10/lake-andes-motel-says-vote-american-dont-renig-owners-say-not-racist/
No, it isn't Sibby. Get a dictionary. Racism is more like what you do when you get on your supremacy trip, except you don't appear to be ethnically selective about who you feel your spiritual inferiors are.
Democrats agonize over why their candidate's cannot win elections in SD. I would volunteer that the idiotic and hateful stereotyping rhetoric blaming every Republican voter for the corrupt actions of politicians claiming the same registration, probably doesn't help your cause.
Additionally, if you want to really protest the vile ignorant attacks on these children? Shouldn't you seek the moral high ground and not act like the low-brow conduct you purportedly oppose?
Give the right wing Christians a break. Some of my best friends are right wingers. So what. At least they fight the establishment Republican corruption more than the establishment Democrats. I would take a right winger over the Republican establishment any day. At least they fight the Republican establishment more than the Democrats. Exclude Rick Weiland.
It's true, not every R is bad. Far from it, and many D's in this state would be R's in other states. Kind of funny when you think about it. Larry is a D about anywhere though.
Native Americans have got to quit being sellouts to SD Governors like Mickelson, Rounds and Daugaard. Put your people over being a token for the Republican Rule. How's it working for you?
Where are the state employed Native Americans coming out on this issue. Stand for your people not your paycheck. Don't be a token for the Republican establishment.
Rounds just hired a token Indian.
Don't do it.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but Native Americans in our state vote about 90% Democrat, granted there may be ugly things at the top. The problem is if a person in any way criticizes a "minority" they are labeled racist or bigot. At some point Native Americans will have to better themselves.
Sibson, you are a complete unadulterated jackass with questionable reading comprehension skills.
Nowhere in my comments did I come down on the Republicans or white people, what I did was same that we have all Republican elected politicians up and down the food chain give their tacit approval to racism by remaining silent when incidents like happen.
Unless you point to a single politician in this state has responded to the American Horse child abuse case, I will stand firmly by my comment.
In the event you have missed it, politicians are called out all the time by their constituents, is every voter that questions them a racist.
You'd do well to put down your bible and pick up that book by Webster.
happy camper, there are plenty of Native Americans in this state that bettered themselves, me being one of them, and continue to do so everyday. Many have likely done are doing better than you.
Your comment is typical South Dakota Republican, thinking you have the answer to an issue don't have a clue to. happy campers are a dime a dozen in this state with the distorted opinions I have heard for years.
Furthermore, why would you find it necessary to criticize any minority, when you do that it is racism and prejudice, grab the dictionary and look up racism or prejudice. Do you need to criticize minorities to make yourself feel good about yourself? Does that somehow empower you?
Consider the conditions Native Americans live. How long does that continue until questions be raised as to why? Your immediate attack RC is a reflection of the problem.
happy camper, I expect various people live in various conditions. Are you suggesting that all people of some particular ilk live in the same conditions? I guess you could be right in my case as there are a lot of people of my ilk that live in the same conditions. But you might not be right in all cases.
I'm saying way too many Native Americans live in poor conditions. That's obviously well documented and accepted, but ask the sociology question why. We all know this country is far from perfect but let's imagine all boarders across the globe were entirely open. Where would people go? No longer would all come here, but still many would as a place of betterment more so than the way many Native Americans live in this state. It's a valid question but I find a person can't even ask such questions.
This thread is about Republicans heaping scorn and derision on children because of a lethal cocktail of white privilege in a town with a history of racism: just add alcohol.
Thanks grudz, excellent point.
happy camper, you still haven't picked up Webster's book and looked up the meaning of racism and prejudice, have you?
Virtually every instance of racism and Native Americans that comes up in this state, some wag finds it necessary to insert poverty and Native American living conditions into the discussion, it never fails.
Personally, I live quite comfortably as do most of my friends and relatives, we don't have great castles like happy camper seems to have that entitles him to sit in judgment of others
Was it the poverty and living conditions of the Indian students from American Horse School that gave the drunk white men the entitlement to abuse, commit hate crimes, and assault our children. Please explain to me precisely what one has to do with the other.
No happy camper, I am not a reflection of the problem, you are. Calling out racism and prejudice where it exist is a virtue not a sin.
Unlike the white "Indian experts", I don't profess to have the answers to poverty, I can give you my opinions and work to better situations and that is about it.
I do know one thing happy camper, the Be Like Me line will not work, I doubt if there are very many Native Americans that would want to be like you.
Democrats don't win in South Dakota because they run as GOP-lite and because SDGOP hired an earth hater like Larry Pressler to run as a liberal and filled a primary field with plants.
Larry,
Don't get me started on white privilege. happy camper and Sibson will have a coronary. I'm already pissed off by their ignorance.
happy camper, I'll be happy to answer your questions when they are formulated in a responsible and respectful manner.
Your continued use of Native American poverty and living conditions makes the assumption that we are all alike.
hc-why don't you know why living conditions are as they are on the reservations? wiki may not be accurate always, but its a free encyclopedia on your kitchen table.
its easy. start at 1855, only 160 years ago.
surely you know what your german immigrant ancestors (or whatever) were doing then.
read about ft. laramie, julesburg, ft. pierre, ft. randall then. i recently read a military diary cataloging the 1-7 buffalo a captain shot every day for a month or more traveling from Omaha (i think) up the Platte river to Blue Water creek. Wrote his wife regular as clock work!!
i just heard from an australian scientist, on in years, wondering how we americans can make such statements as yours. you just showed him. there are very bright people out there watching us.
they know why.
happy camper,
Maybe you can ask Cory to do a thread on Native American poverty and living conditions.
This thread happens to be about drunken white men that abused Native American children that were simply out to enjoy a hockey game.
Now, if you can provide some evidence that Native American poverty and the vile acts committed by white men against Native children, I'm willing to listen.
The only way the Native Americans will survive is they have to quit taking appointments and be tokens to the Republican establishment they have to quit selling out to the Republican establishment.
Why aren't the Native American Republicans speaking out? You guys got your cushy jobs fro DD and MR but are totally silent when it comes to your people.
Larry,
nativenewsonline.net is reporting that there will be 57 charges of child abuse, assault, and hate crimes against the men involved in this incident.
Additionally, the parents of the children involved are asking seeking an opinion from the U.S. Attorney's office for federal hate crime charges.
tara-do you drink?
Where are the Republican Native American appointees speaking out? If you really want to help you people, you can't be sell out tokens.
Tara,
The only thing partisan about the attack on the children is that the elected Republican leadership has failed to condemn those actions of a few.
Knock off the rest of your nonsense and concentrate on the racist action itself.
The real problem is the Native Republicans sold out to the Republican Party.
No Tara,
The real problems is that drunk white men assaulted innocent Native American children.
Get the hell off your high horse and concentrate on the children.
What dumbheads! We have adult, white males behaving abusively toward minority children and Happy and Tara are blaming the children. For pete's sake!
Children of any race do not have the power to force an adult of any race to abuse them. Never. Children can make adults feel frustrated, angry, confused, and many other things. But children can Never, Ever, make adults behave abusively.
What is wrong with you?! Trying to blame children for adult's behavior. Few things make me this angry. Shut up.
Excuse me Deb, but where are all the token Native American appointees hired by DD and MMR speaking out.
Tara,
Rather continually asking the same question of where are the Native Republicans and appointees, why don't you tell us who all these people are and call them and ask them their opinion?
I doubt if there is anyone here that can answer your broken record question, if there was I am certain they would have answered it by now.
Hold your horses Deb. I didn't say the children themselves were to blame. I said wait for the facts to come out, and then separately, which yes, it is a different topic, why have conditions remained so bad for Native Americans. If conditions were better race relations would be better. Why aren't there healthy conversations about that? It can't be questioned or immediately that person is labeled a white racist Republican. There are serious, serious problems that just keep going on and on. It really doesn't seem like it's ever going to change.
The offenders at the RCC are white racist Republicans entitled by a history of kicking NDNs to the curb.
http://decorumforum.blogspot.com/2011/06/1972-flood-was-color-blind.html
http://interested-party.blogspot.com/2014/06/rapid-city-churches-appropriated-indian.html
happy camper,
Obviously you haven't been paying attention, there have been many facts that have been brought to light.
I agree that we have to hear the other side of the story, that from the perps, all they need to do is man up and tell the world who they are and what inspired them to "spill" beer on the Native students. I anxiously await to hear from them.
It does not matter what the living conditions of any child is nor would knowing that have prevented some rednecks to verbal assault children with racial slurs.
Love it.
http://www.kotatv.com/news/south-dakota-news/Eagle-Sales-workers-harassed-following-racial-incident/31009538
I've read your comments Roger in the Rapid City Journal and you're too anxious to have people judged in the court of public opinion. The best thing would be to let the facts come out after careful examination to be as fair as possible.
Larry those people weren't even present at the game, but you love their being harassed?
this thing is all over twitter: heads are going to roll.
Larry,
The KOTA link does not provide any specifics about attacks on Eagle Sales.
I wonder why?
happy camper,
I am not too happy to have these people judges by anyone, including public opinion. The perps have put themselves in that position by their vile actions as documented by the RCPD.
And I have repeatedly said that I am anxious to hear the other side of the story, why won't these guys man up and tell us their side? I'm getting tired of asking that, but will continue to ask every time you say "we don't know all the facts" or "let's see how this plays out", or whatever phrasing you use.
happy camper, I'm glad you read my comments on the Journal website, now you know what a bunch of bigots I tolerate.
Tom Helland is a player, Roger. Kevin Woster just put up a post about the Rapid City mayoral campaign: no doubt things will just more interesting as the GOP scrambles to cover up the town's history of racism.
Of course, Helland knows the people that did it. He's covering up for the group.
Roger, you're a twitter guy: read through the white supremacist survivalist threads at hashtag, #rapidcity creepy, man.