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Noem Votes to Sue President, Desires Coup by Judiciary

Let's see: can't fix the Highway Trust Fund, can't fully fund a veterans health care bill, can't provide child immigrants with basic due process... but with the five-week summer recess just hours away, our Congresswoman Kristi Noem finds time to vote for a coup.

Yesterday, Rep. Noem joined 224 of her Republican colleagues in voting to sue the President of the United States of America. Noem and friends are hoping to find some activist judge who will usurp executive power and hand it to the legislative branch. That's a coup.

The House wants a judge to rescind the President's one-year delay of the large-business insurance mandate and tax penalties under the Affordable Care Act and force the President to immediately implement and enforce those provisions. Of course, Noem and her fellow Republicans have tried to repeal that law fifty times, but she'll make a federal case of the President's exercise of his authority to implement that law more slowly than planned.

And yes, the President has that authority:

In fact, applicable judicial precedent places such timing adjustments well within the Executive Branch's lawful discretion. To be sure, the federal Administrative Procedure Act authorizes federal courts to compel agencies to initiate statutorily required actions that have been "unreasonably delayed." But courts have found delays to be unreasonable only in rare cases where, unlike this one, inaction had lasted for several years, and the recalcitrant agency could offer neither a persuasive excuse nor a credible end to its dithering. In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect "higher or competing" agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay." Even in cases where an agency outright refuses to enforce a policy in specified types of cases -- not the case here -- the Supreme Court has declined to intervene. As held by former Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend [Simon Lazarus, "Delaying Parts of Obamacare: 'Blatantly Illegal' or Routine Adjustment?" The Atlantic, 2013.07.17].

Question #1 for Kristi at her upcoming debates with Corinna Robinson: "Tell us, Congresswoman, how does suing the President to force implementation of a law that you want repealed and that you say will increase costs for businesses practically benefit South Dakota?"

Question #2: "How much will your lawsuit cost the taxpayers?"

Question #3: "Barack Obama won two Presidential elections and is in the sixth year of his Presidency. Are you willing to acknowledge this fact and move on?"

Voters, feel free to bring these questions up at all of the constituent service events and town halls that I'm sure Rep. Noem will be filling her recess calendar with. But don't take too long to ask: along with frivolous litigation, Noem is busy organizing a pheasant hunt for her big donors September 14–16. Suggested donations: $1,500 for individuals, $2,500 for PACs. (I'd like to see what kind of shotgun a PAC packs.)


  1. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Obama should sue congress for several years of inaction and/or obstructionism that has held the economy and everyone else down,except the koch bros. Wingnut congressweasels should be forced to reimburse the treasury for taking monies they did not earn.

  2. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilitie

    Sorta like dumbass dubya's EPA where korporate lawyers let regulated industries rewrite environmental regs in favor of their korporations?

  3. Lynn 2014.07.31

    The 1 year anniversary of the infamous government shutdown is coming not long after Kristi's exclusive hunt for some of the real entities she works for. That government shutdown affected me personally with trying to get a house built before winter and the livelihood of others from various contractors to the local family owned lumberyard. It was a ripple affect and countless people other than myself across the nation and some in far worse situations were affected.

    When I called Kristi Noem's office in Washington several times I was very polite and tactful and tried to explain just how that shutdown was negatively affecting myself and that this was a complete failure of governance.

    We elect or representatives knowing that compromise is many times needed to keep the government functioning and that may mean we may not always get what we want but we need to pick and choose battles and move on to the next item. We didn't elect them to shutdown the government!

    Each time her staffers were very condescending and one time I could hear one fighting back laughter. I was shocked each time with years of sales and customer service experience and realized I'm not in the exclusive club of donors.

    This lawsuit is another political ploy and a waste of time and money that could be used to work on legislation with congressional legislation productivity of any real issues being extremely low

    Corinna Robinson we need you! I realize your focusing on your ground game but holding a presser on the lawsuit and EB-5 and other issues is free right? You could be on the Argus Leader's 100 Eyes since I'm pretty sure Patrick, David or Jonathan would love to interview you. Kristi Noem is a complete waste of our one US Representative Seat! Corinna South Dakotans want to see and hear from you!

  4. Tim 2014.07.31

    Noem does what she's told, she isn't interested in South Dakota or our problems, a complete waste of humanity. I would love to see voters here shock the shit out of her and vote her out. Corinna, where are you?
    Cory, maybe Corinna can't afford a good speech writer, you have a way with words, maybe she needs your help.

  5. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "activist judge who will usurp executive power and hand it to the legislative branch. That's a coup."

    Cory the President has usurped legislative power and has established a dictatorship.

  6. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Mike, a Presidential lawsuit for Congressional inaction should be the next logical step, says Rep. Butterfield in the L.A. Times article I cite above. How about a lawsuit for refusing to fund programs Congress decides it doesn't like? After all, the House GOP lawsuit revolves around the Article II Section 3 clause requiring that the President "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Shall we argue that Congress prevents the President from carrying out his Constitutional obligation by failing to fund the enforcement of certain laws?

  7. larry kurtz 2014.07.31

    Cory: President Jefferson has usurped legislative power and has established a dictatorship by buying Louisiana from France.

  8. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Sibby, this lawsuit isn't about the executive orders in general; it is specifically about the business mandate of the Affordable Care Act. You're beating the wrong horse.

    Besides, Dennis Daugaard uses executive orders. Sue or impeach him.

    And we all know that the executive-order cry is hogwash: President Barack Obama has issued fewer executive orders per year than any of the last ten presidents. The champ among that group: Saint Ronald Reagan, with 381. President Obama has issued 182 and is on pace to reach 264.

  9. larry kurtz 2014.07.31

    Noem: Mandates Implementation Legislative Fund.

  10. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Mike: Yeah, like that. But there's the thing: Rehnquist was saying that the courts won't act on a complaint like this unless the violation is so extreme as to make clear we aren't just having a political debate clear of which the courts should steer. This lawsuit is a political maneuver, not a conscientious defense of the Constitution.

  11. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Lynn, we need to tell that story of Noem's callous incompetence. Care to make a YouTube video?

  12. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    Cory, you are right. We have had this problem since FDR. This suit will not fix the problem. This country is run by an oligarchy of wealthy elitists, who use the president as their puppet dictator. They control both parties. Reagan was probably their favorite puppet as VP H Bush ran the show. Then Clinton comes in and finishes much of what H Bush started as Obama is finishing much of what GW started.

  13. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Larry, France should sue. I wonder... is there a statute of limitations?

  14. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Whatever "the problem" is, I agree with Sibby that this lawsuit will not solve it. Noem, Boehner, and the GOP need to put on their big-girl pants, fight this out in the political arena, and win elections. They need to spend their time coming up with effective legislative solutions for real problems that will win them the confidence of the electorate. Suing the President is one more crybaby-cheapening of the political process that turns people away from democracy... which, dang it, may be Noem's intent. The GOP does enjoy deflating voter turnout.

  15. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Tim, thanks—I'm happy to use my word skills for the common good.

  16. Lynn 2014.07.31

    One contractor was ready to start digging the basement just prior to the shutdown and it's hard enough to get all these contractors all lined up with their own busy schedules. All these contractors I was working with were very angry to put it politely without getting censored. lol They called Noem's office too. That shutdown backlogged and screwed up their schedules when they were racing to get what they could get done before winter and frost was in the ground. They have their own bills to pay.

  17. Chris S. 2014.07.31

    Wait, wait, wait: According to one commenter, the President is both a "puppet" and a "dictator"?

    The English language: How does it work?

    I'd suggest looking up the word "dictator" in the dictionary and note that it doesn't mean "person who sometimes does stuff I don't like," but it's probably pointless.

  18. Lynn 2014.07.31

    Chris S. Warning: That particular commenter is a Sibby. Don't feed the Sibby! Please for everyone's sake including yours. lol

  19. Chris S. 2014.07.31

    @Lynn: Duly noted! :-)

  20. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "I agree with Sibby that this lawsuit will not solve it."

    And having the GOP take over DC will not solve it. Having the Democrats maintain control over DC will not solve it. Chis S's and Lynn's mockery is not going to fix it. The political process is broken. The Constitutional Republic has been destroyed. The wealthy ruling elites, who are pulling the strings on the puppet dictators, will not let us fix it. And this is not just in DC, it is also in Pierre SD. I learned that lesson in 2008 when the National Education Association funded the SD Chamber of Commerce. In DC that partnership is called the "Education Excellence Partnership".

    The problems will continue because too many are busy pointing their fingers at the other party. Both sides are wrong.

  21. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Just saying that wingnuts lower the legal bars for Libs and raise it so high they can never find an excuse to go after one of their own.

  22. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Cory-yeah,but congress controls the purse strings and we don't have to fund Obamacare because it was passed and we didn't like it and it wasn't bi-partisan or nothing. And we don't like not getting our ideas into law because it isn't fair and the only people who pay taxes are the wealthy so they pay us to work for them and they can't rob everyone if they can't get us to pass favorable bills for them and Dems are so mean and icky and we're gonna take our ball and go home.

  23. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    Mike, yeah you are part of the problem. The smoke screen worked and people like you are more motivated to hate, call people names, and then fail to understand that you are a pawn. The Democrats are using this to raise money, and so are the Republicans. Money going from foolish pockets and into the hands of corporatists who print campaign signs and the corporate media who make money running campaign ads. And at the end of the first Tuesday of November, nothing will be changed regardless of which politician wins.

  24. JeniW 2014.07.31

    When I think of politics I think of the game of football.

    The owners of football teams can change, the coaches and referees can change, the players can change, cheerleaders, vendors, and fans and etc. can (and do) change, but unless there is a change in the game itself (rules,) it is still the same game of football.

    Changing all the legislators will not really change anything because it is all the same game. Change the game on the city, state, federal level, then there will be changes. But, I am guessing that the game will not change during our life time, so it is the same thing, different people.

  25. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    I think the first problem with this lawsuit is the "political question doctrine."

    ". . . the Supreme Court has held that federal courts should not hear cases which deal directly with issues that Constitution makes the sole responsibility of the other branches of government. Baker v Carr, 369 U.S. 186 (1962). Therefore, the Court has held that the conduct of foreign relations is the sole responsibility of the executive branch, and cases challenging the way the executive is using that power present political questions. . . ."

    Presumably implementation of a statute, such as the ACA, "is the sole responsibility of the executive branch. . . ."

  26. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    I don't have to work at or even hate to call you names,Sibby. Your nuts. How nuts? Give it a rest and let the rest of us discover that w/o your help.At least make us work at that.

  27. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    Well Mike, you proved my point. I sincerely hope you stop having a bad day.

  28. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Chris S.
    Good catch on the dictator/puppet, it just goes to show the limitations and contradictions of tea party ideology, ah, I mean bumper sticker politics. The use of terms like dictator and puppet are forms of planting fear into their minions that have no real concept of politics and policy.
    Like has been suggested, grab the Webster's and look the up the word dictator and apply it to our form of government.
    It is my contention that house lawsuit against the president is the foundation of their intent to impeach the president, should they find that activist judge and win this lawsuit, it will be the first article of impeachment.

  29. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "Like has been suggested, grab the Webster's and look the up the word dictator and apply it to our form of government."

    And exactly what is our form of government. The one that Congress has to do what the dictator wants, and if they don't, the dictator does it anyway. And sadly, the Democrats can't see behind the curtain or they would know that it is the corporatists pulling the puppet's strings.

  30. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    The most generous construct I've heard to date on this lawsuit is that Boehner knows it probably isn't going anywhere, and to the degree it does, it will move very, very slowly.

    It is in essence, some red meat to throw to the mad dog wing of the GOP so it looks like Congress is trying to do something to discredit and delegitimize the President (the declared GOP and Tea Party Agenda from day one of Obama's presidency.)

    It will most likely be over 2 years before this thing ultimately get's thrown out of court, and by then, we'll have a new president, and the impeachment drumbeat will be moot point.

    In short, political appeasement of the wing nuts, and a reason to muffle the impeachment drumbeat. Boehner to Obama, "Best I could do with this crowd, Mr. President."

    Regardless of whether that's what's going on or not, Stephanie Herseth Sandlin should thank her lucky stars she'll be able to say she never had a single thing to do with the god-awful cluster#*%& of a Congress we've had these past few years.

  31. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    For those who still don't know that Obamacare is corporatism and corporatism is bi-partisan:

    Yet Obamacare IS corporatist. Here we have the industries that are significant contributors to why the American medical system is so overpriced – the health insurers and Big Pharma – actually playing a major role in writing the legislation. And how is it not a sop to large companies to have the government require that citizens buy your product or else pay large tax penalties? Mr. Market certainly thought so, for the price of health insurer and drug company stocks jumped the day the ACA passed. And remember, the beneficiaries of Obamacare extend beyond the insurers and pharmaceutical makers. Hospitals, who increasingly engage in oligopoly pricing (most surgeries need to be done in hospitals), also come out even stronger because new requirements imposed on doctors’ practices will make it difficult for a retiring MD who practices medicine, as opposed to servicing the rich (e.g., cosmetic surgeons) to sell their business to anyone other than a hospital.

  32. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31


    Can congress or anybody for that matter, sue the president in lower courts?
    I'm recalling the Watergate cases when the house sued Nixon for evidence and the Supreme Court ruled on those cases, or were they submitted to a lower court first?

  33. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    Ok Chris, what to know what a puppet dictator is? Yahoo answers:

    A puppet dictator is a ruler who is usually given direction by another person or even another government.

    A dictator who is controlled by another power. From 1943 to 1945,.Mussolini was one.

    Now back to my premise that the corporatists are controlling Obama's strings, as they control both parties:

    We used this expression September 28, 2008, in Mussolini-Style Corporatism in Action: Treasury Conference Call on Bailout Bill to Analysts. And as much as the TARP was a Bush creation, remember that it was nixed by Congress the first time it was presented. Obama, who was seen as the likely next President, not only supported it, he whipped aggressively for it. So TARP has the fingerprints of both parties all over it.

    I hope Chris, Mike and others have learned something today. The lawsuit is simply a tactic to keep the people fighting among themselves while the corporatists rip them off.

  34. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    Roger, according to a 1996 article from the conservative the Federalist Society, discussing how the Supreme Court might rule in Clinton v. Jones, Presidents do have immunity from lawsuits challenging their official acts.

    "In Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982), the Supreme Court (over strong dissents) recognized an absolute presidential immunity for official acts, largely for policy reasons."

    That Presidential immunity appears to be another hurdle for the Republicans to overcome, if they can get by the political question doctrine.

    In the Clinton v. Jones decision, however, the Supreme Court ruled that a President does not have immunity from suit based on unofficial acts, or conduct occurring before becoming the President.

  35. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    BCB, yes this lawsuit has no substance, and is just a tactic being used to fire up each side during an election year. Amazing how the masses fall for it every time. This will continue to be milked and then used to place further blame on the Tea Party who represent the only threat to the corporatists' agenda.

  36. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Sibby,here'a a christmas song just for you. I know it's been said,many times,many ways-go away. :)

  37. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Steve, it will be "blamed" on the Tea Party because they are the ones who are promulgating the farce. So how about you turn that big, bad blamefinger around and point it at yourself and the rest of your nut-job Teabagger pals.

  38. larry kurtz 2014.07.31

    The House just pulled its border bill. Surprising the GOP hasn't hired Mossad to off the POTUS and Biden so the orange guy could assume power the old-fashioned way.

  39. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    Bill, thanks for proving my point.

  40. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    You're welcome, Sibby.

  41. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    And Bill, the corporatists are thankful for your efforts

  42. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Sibby the neo-commie wommie obammie nut marxist drammie queen broken record repeat-repeater.

  43. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    We have the Republican party to thank for the Affordable Care Act problems. It was indeed their model, and no doubt a boon to insurance companies.

    A better model is the one Cory advocates. Medicare E (E for Everybody). Nationalized Health Care. Or, as a compromise, the model Rick Weiland proposes, where people can choose between a public program or a private one (Public Option.)

    As far as I know, when it comes to ideas about making sure people don't have to go broke just because they get sick, the Tea Party is already intellectually bankrupt. But maybe you could save them Steve.

    What is your solution to the nation's health care problem?

  44. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    I hear ya, Lynn. At least he's on topic here. Let's see if he has any worthwhile ideas. We can always hope.

  45. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Hail, Vermont!

    Medicare E is obviously simpler than Medicare PO. It has fewer letters.

    How about the Obama Administration judo this lawsuit: surrender, do exactly what the Republicans are demanding, implement the employer mandate now and retroactively. Then they can blame the managerial bumps on Boehner and Noem... and in a few months when everything is working fine, when the ACA is fully functional and people are getting health care, we can roll in the voter approval ratings, say, "O.K., Kristi, John, where's the apocalypse you promised?", and revel in the coming generation of Tea Partiers who will say, "Keep your damn government hands off my ObamaCare!"

  46. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    Cory, the main weakness in your idea for Obama to roll over is that "in a few months when everything is working fine, when the ACA is fully functional and people are getting health care" the Republicans will take credit based on the "success" of their lawsuit.

  47. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    That's all going to happen anyway, isn't it Cory? The 1 year ACA business postponement is over in 5 months, right? A year from now, the situation will be likely be exactly as you describe, the Tea Partiers will already be converted, and the lawsuit will just dry up and blow away.

    That's the other problem with the lawsuit. Suppose they win? What's the remedy? The lawsuit is specifically limited to just this one issue.

  48. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    Sibby, I agree that this lawsuit likely has no substance. I doubt that Republicans want to "fire up each side," rather, they probably hope to fire up only Republicans, if they want to fire up any group, while satisfying the faction they view as extremists in the Republican party who are demanding a potentially highly unpopular impeachment, which moderate Republicans fear will fire up Democrats for the upcoming election.

  49. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Mine is a little different take, I guess. I don't think the lawsuit is to "fire up" the Tea Party, I think it's a move to cool them down. They're all about impeachment, which the GOP Establishment knows would be a disaster for their election prospects this fall. This lawsuit is just throwing the rabid dogs a bone to chew on until the elections are over. Nom, nom, nom.

  50. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "What is your solution to the nation's health care problem?"

    The problem was created when we violated the cost/benefit rule by separating those getting the benefit from those who are paying it. As technology has provided more ways for more of us to live longer, a corporate healthcare establishment has been created. They can't make tons of money if people can't afford the high-tech treatments. So there is where the government steps in, which has the federal reserve print a bunch of paper, and use that to subsidize the healthcare costs. By expanding the violation to the cost benefit rule by this so-called Medicare for all, this problem will only get worse.

    The solution is to stop violating the cost/benefit rule. That can only happen if those who receive the benefits, pay for it. But that is not going to happen. So we will continue down this road until the financial system collapses, then no one but those in control of the system will get healthcare. I think they will call it, population control for a sustainable world.

  51. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    BCB, the Democrats will use this lawsuit to raise campaign money too. This isn't a Republican idea, this is a corporatist idea. And Bill, they hate the Tea Party because they don't eat the corporatist crap. The Republican and Democratic die-hards do. Nom, nom, nom.

  52. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    On second read BCB, I suppose you and I are saying approximately the same thing, except to say that I don't think the mainstream Repubs really think much positive about the lawsuit at all. It's more like internal damage control.

    The more astute might find a reason to be interested in what the court might say about the limits of Executive power, or for that matter if they would even agree to hear the case, but that's pretty academic process stuff.. Not really politically inspiring, do you think?

  53. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Nice optimistic solution Sibby.

    But hey, good work, mon.

    At least you gave it some thought!

  54. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    Bill, I too think we are the same wave length. And I think it will be highly unlikely that the federal courts will conclude they even have any authority to get involved in the dispute between the other two political branches of our government.

  55. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Didn't the Scotus vote 9-0 to allow Jone's lawsuit to go ahead against Clinton and did not the judge in the case tell Jones that even if everything she alleged happened it did not rise to the level of sexual harassment,suit dismissed?

  56. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    Sibby, I would think the Democrats will use any odd behavior by Republicans to raise money, including this lawsuit.

    When you describe this lawsuit as "a corporatist idea" I think you are falling back into the stereotype trap. All corporations are not the same, just as all aging white men are not the same, nor are all women the same, nor are all people of color the same, nor are all members of the Tea Party the same. Instead of calling it a "corporatist" idea, perhaps it might be more informative for you to identify which corporations you believe to be behind the lawsuit.

    As for your health care solution, it leaves people who cannot afford to pay the cost without care, a solution that Jesus would likely object to.

  57. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    Cost- benefit. The koch bros get the benefits of wingnut policies but they don't have to pay the costs. But lets not tax the rich,they have no money. Its all Obama's fault because he won't capitulate and tea-baggers want to pick his bones because he's black.

  58. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    mike, I think you are correct on both points.

  59. bearcreekbat 2014.07.31

    mike, to clarify - your intervening post made my last post ambiguous. I think you are right on both points about Clinton v. Jones.

    I am not sure I really understand your point about the Koch brothers.

  60. SDTeacher 2014.07.31

    Brief highjack- In addition to your emails to Noem about this stupid lawsuit, everyone should inundate her office today warning her not to come home without addressing immigration-

    They're on the verge of heading home to campaign without doing anything about the immigration (a/k/a) humanitarian crisis.

  61. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Sibson, that was simply wacko and doesn't answer the question asked of you. Republicans have not put forth any alternate programs to improve healthcare and provide insurance. They continually suggest tort reform, but that doesn't help the guy going to the emergency with no insurance.
    The ACA enrollment is over 20 million and growing daily, in practical terms, how would you improve the ACA? Or do you believe Americans should have health insurance at all?
    As noted by Larry, the courageous GOP ran away from the border bill this morning, Republicans have been saying this is a "immigration crisis" for the past month, and yet given an opportunity to do something about it, run away pouting, and now expect the president to act alone, which he will. That isn't being a dictator Sibson, that is being a responsible president that acts when a chicken shit congress won't.
    By the way, anyway else notice that Boehner didn't hold a vote to repeal Obamacare this session? What happened to the Rounds big talk on repealing Obamacare?

  62. mike from iowa 2014.07.31

    bcb-my koch bros post was meant for Sibby and his cost/benefit grousing about people getting benefits w/o paying for them. Koch bros is my generic term for wingnut largesse.

  63. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Roger, I heard Sibby say there is no solution.

    We're going to hell in a hand basket.

    Isn't that what this means?

    "The solution is to stop violating the cost/benefit rule. That can only happen if those who receive the benefits, pay for it. But that is not going to happen. So we will continue down this road until the financial system collapses..."

    Perhaps he doesn't realize that when he starts collecting on his Medicare, he WILL have paid for the benefits he receives. Unless, of course he's not paying his taxes ;-)

  64. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Exactly Bill, it wasn't uncommon during the tea party rallies to see signs with the "Hands Off Medicare" and a sign next to saying "Medicare Is Socialism", that is the contradiction the tea party promotes with Sibson as one of their mouthpieces.
    I heard that message too, no solution, doom and gloom, a dictator for a president or a puppet president being controlled by some outside force or whatever, a Constitution that has been trashed, etc. I'm not certain where Sibson lives, but I fail to see what the little voices are telling him.
    He obviously doesn't understand and comprehend to power of the Constitution and this nation's laws, if all of Sibson's fears were true, we wouldn't be a functioning society today or tomorrow.

    The problem with Sibson's irrational ideologies is that they provide no direct solutions to problems.

  65. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Only the rapture, Roger. Only the rapture.

  66. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Bill, right again. Have you ever noticed that the Sibson's of the world appear to be almost hopeful that society and particularly a Democrat in the White House will completely fail?

    When I checked my email today, I had no less than 30 Democratic emails working the Boehner/GOP Suing the President headline. I can give to some, but not all.

  67. Bill Fleming 2014.07.31

    Yes, I have noticed that, Roger.
    The price of being "saved" must be that you have to afraid all the time.
    Or at least that you have to always be trying to make other people be afraid.
    Not my style. Yours either I sense.

    And yes, I'm getting all those emails as well.
    And phone calls, mail, you name it.

  68. grudznick 2014.07.31

    Mr. C, you can give $1 to each and I'll spot you breakfast for the next 3 weeks. I'm not trying to get you flagged on all their lists as a "willing donor/shake them down harder next time." I just like seeing you with that satisfied look after a good breakfast.

  69. Jenny 2014.07.31

    Sibby, what are your thoughts on the trillion dollar war budget and do you think the amount we spend on our wars are more important than fixing our healthcare system?

  70. grudznick 2014.07.31

    Jenny, the healthcare fix is easy.

    Crush the monolithic hospital systems, and cut the pay of the fat cat administrators to 1/10th of what they make today.

  71. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Donating to the Democrats and earning a free breakfast would bring on a smile. Thanks.

  72. owen reitzel 2014.07.31

    I think the big question here is how much is this going to cost for the Tea Party to sue Obama?
    Kristi whines about fiscal responsibility and then votes for this. Democrats and Robinson have to call her out on this.
    (I haven't read every post here so if someone brought this up I offer my apologizes).

  73. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.07.31

    I'd like to add an item to your list Grudz. Reduce the massive medication expenses. Those pharmo-giants don't require a 100%+ profit annually.

    You ought to be careful with your plans though Grudz. Much as I like them, you sound almost, well, kinda, a little bit, just around the edges, ummm . . . . . Liberal.

  74. JeniW 2014.07.31

    That will not happen Grudznick.

    While I was growing up most doctors had a private practice (or maybe a partnership,) and "hospital privileges." Having a private practice is the same as having a small business with all the benefits, issues, and problems that go with it, including having to purchase expensive malpractice insurance.

    Doctors decided to create and join health care systems so that they can practice what they were trained to do and not have to spend so much time and money dealing with running a business.

    There are doctors that do have a private practice, including some in Sioux Falls, but they tend to be specialty medicine such as plastic surgery or orthopedics, ENT etc. I do not think there are very many GP/Family medicine private practices.

    I am not so sure that would be very many GPs would be willing to give up the privileges and benefits that comes with being in a system.

    Are the administrators paid to much to fulfill the responsibilities and duties of their job, I do not know. I have no idea of all the duties and responsibilities of administrators are, so I do not think I am qualified to judge they are being paid too much or not.

  75. JeniW 2014.07.31

    Another thing to add besides medication is medical equipment. Hospitals, clinics or whatever do not manufacture the own equipment, or parts to replace knees, nor for screws, plates, rods and etc to repair fractures.

    Manufacturers and distributors are like all other businesses, they are out there to meet a demand and earn a profit. I think people would be surprised to see how much medical equipment and patient care items costs.

  76. grudznick 2014.07.31

    Ms. Geelsdottir, among Conservatives I have one of the highest grades on the Common Sense scorecards. In fact, like the cheese I stand alone.

  77. grudznick 2014.07.31

    $1 to each, Mr. C. I would not want you to give $1000 to each. Just a dollar. One American dollar.

  78. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.07.31

    Hahaha Grudz. Stinky cheese? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

  79. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    I was going to use the bitcoin but I'll honor your wishes. With the number of email donation requests I get, $3 is the max.

    Here's what you need to know about grudz, he's actually a closet Liberal, we're getting closer to getting him to come out.

  80. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "Republicans have not put forth any alternate programs to improve healthcare and provide insurance."

    That is because they are perfectly happy with Obamacare. as are the corporatists.

  81. grudznick 2014.07.31

    Mr. C, try the Mazacoin.

  82. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "As for your health care solution, it leaves people who cannot afford to pay the cost without care, a solution that Jesus would likely object to."

    BCB, No where do I read Jesus promoted coveting. He is the source of eternal life. Physical death is immaterial.

    So for an atheist, physical death means what, BCB?

  83. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "We're going to hell in a hand basket.

    Isn't that what this means?"

    No Bill, not everyone.

  84. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "When I checked my email today, I had no less than 30 Democratic emails working the Boehner/GOP Suing the President headline. I can give to some, but not all.

    Roger, thanks for the input. Clearly this lawsuit tactic is to provide funds for both sides of the faux fight.

  85. jerry 2014.07.31

    NOem and the rest of the republican congress, hate the Pope as much as they do Obama. They loves them some Israelis though, and support them blindly while the genocide they have undertaken will now take a 72 hour ceasefire to let their guns cool down a bit.

  86. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.07.31

    Grudz, I want to fly a small plane, ultralight, sky dive, hang glide, fly a glider, a balloon, and any other one of those free flying kinds of things. I think it would be wonderful! Woo-hoo!

  87. jerry 2014.07.31

    LOL Mr. grudznick...Sibson sees himself flying to his siren, NOem .somewhere off the coast of Lake Mitchell. Yes, Greek mythology, NOem is his fatales with her lute playing music and her (to Sibson) voice to lure the dopey Sibson to a shipwreck of dare I say it, biblical proportions off the coast of his imaginary love island. Now if only he could get rid of the black and brown people, along with all of those pesky religions that he disapproves of, Sibson would be a happy spandex wearing fundy in his own little world.

  88. jerry 2014.07.31

    NOem's immigration fiasco went down in flames today as well. She is a failure complete. Maybe Robinson could be like the giant killer in Virginia and not need any real money at all to defeat another complete failure like Cantor. Cantor spent more on steak than his opponent Brat did for his entire campaign.

  89. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.07.31

    Speaking of immigration . . .

    "Rep. Michelle Bachmann has a new theory about the unaccompanied minors fleeing violence in Central America who have come in large numbers to the southern U.S. border: they are future victims of a liberal plot to use unwilling children for medical experiments."

    Oh the humanity!

  90. jerry 2014.07.31

    Sibson lapped that messaging up from Michelle like a kitten to warm milk, then started to purr loudly. Find him a litter box or he will soil himself.

  91. Roger Cornelius 2014.07.31

    Now that you recognize that this lawsuit is a faux fight to raise money, will you now call Kristi and tell here to knock it off and start acting like a congresswoman?

    She's wasting taxpayer money with this lawsuit Steve.

  92. grudznick 2014.07.31

    Ms. Geelsdottir, had you met me 40 years ago I could have given you those feelings. Today, you are faced with images of Mr. Sibby in a rubber suit.

  93. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.07.31

    Oh please stop Grudz! Sibson in a rubber suit! Eeeeuwww! Unless - does it have long sleeves that wrap around and cross in the back? Plus lots of buckles and straps? Okay, that I can cope with.

    Oh Grudz, you always know exactly the right thing to say to me! Hmm. Maybe I should rethink your proposal?

  94. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.07.31

    Deb: holy cow! Is everything the GOP gets wrong now just a liberal plot? Bachmann is saying it about immigrants. We hear it about welfare as a liberal plot to foster dependency on the state. Fox News is trying to tell us that all that impeachment talk that the SDGOP and Sarah Palin were reveling in just weeks ago was really a Dem plot to boost fundraising. How long until they declare this lawsuit was really a Dem fundraising plot as well?

    BCB, I would be stunned to see the GOP try to turn around and claim credit for the ACA. They've gone too far to ever reverse themselves like that, haven't they?

  95. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "We hear it about welfare as a liberal plot to foster dependency on the state."

    Actually it is a method by the corporatists to increase consumption, which is a key part of their Keynesian scheme. And the kids from Central America is part of the same plan. They believe population growth is a requirement for economic growth. So something needs to be done to replace those eliminated by the abortion mills.

  96. Steve Sibson 2014.07.31

    "How long until they declare this lawsuit was really a Dem fundraising plot as well?"

    It is not a "Dem" plot, it is a corporatist plot. And it is working. Just read comments like Jerry's. Both Roger and Bill confirmed they received numerous fundraiser pleas based on this issue today.

  97. Roger Cornelius 2014.08.01

    Steve, the fund raising emails today and this evening did not come from corporations, they came from different arms of the Democratic Party and individual candidates and office holders from around the country. This is also the last day of July and everyone is trying to reach their funding goals for the month.
    Thanks to the Republican impeachment talk and this lawsuit, funding raising goals are being met and exceeded, it has nothing to do with a corporate conspiracy.

  98. Roger Cornelius 2014.08.01

    Steve, do you ever listen to yourself or do you just talk?
    Everything you disagree with or don't understand is not a conspiracy or a plot.
    You continually spout your irrationality and paranoia, you should realize by now that there isn't a person on this blog that swallows any of your bilge water.

  99. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    Roger, my positions are backed up by research. I detailed it with my comment at 14:03 on this thread. If we all understood that truth, we would stop the partisan fighting. And I am the one who is the divisive?

  100. jerry 2014.08.01

    Not divisive Sibson, just asinine.

  101. Roger Cornelius 2014.08.01

    Steve, do you seriously call that research? What you are stating is not a fact, it is a theory you created by stringing together a couple of Wikipedia articles. There is not an economist of either party that would try to sell that nonsense.
    Stop giving yourself credit for being the great "divisive one", you are pedaling a hastily thought out theory that has no legs.
    "If we all understood that truth, we would stop the partisan fighting", that translates to, believe Sibson and share his paranoia or bad things will happen to you.
    I'm guessing that most that read Madville would share my opinion that "partisan fighting" is a necessary ingredient in a democracy.

  102. Russell Crow 2014.08.01

    Speaker Boehner brought an interesting case, but it no more rises to the level of "coup" than Obama's selective enforcement of law rises to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors". Thus, this lawsuit, like the 18 successful lawsuits before it seems apropos.

    One could argue that allowing 40% of the Obamacare Exemptions to go to Nancy Pelosi's Congressional District; either indicates a clear predilection toward political payback and corruption, or illuminates a fundamental violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. By favoring big company organized labor with exempt status over mid-sized company unorganized labor groups who must garner a fine [or 'tax' in SCOTUS-talk], the groups are clearly being discriminated.

    Do these actions warrant the initiation of a coup d'etat, or are they the actual manifestations of a previous coup d'etat? According to military historian Edvard Luttvak, "a coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder".

    Essentially, seldom is a coup mounted by 435 members of ANYTHING! However, MANY TIMES a coup is instigated and prosecuted by a handful of zealots at the highest level of government. Who was it that said, "Numbers don't lie"?

  103. mike from iowa 2014.08.01

    Research shows that there are people called neo-quads who will,just for the heck of it,argue about anything with anyone for a quarter or less.

  104. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "There is not an economist of either party that would try to sell that nonsense."

    That supports my point Roger. I not only have research, I have my own experience right here in South Dakota. It was a huge wake up call when the National Education Association gave $1 million to the South Dakota Chamber of Commerce in order to protect the system of legal corruption in Pierre.

    Then you have the research I found during the Common Core work last session in Pierre. Check out the Education Excellence Partnership, which is behind the education standards movement. It include the US Chamber, both teacher's unions, the Dept of ED, and that National Governors Association. Don't both parties send their governors to that organization? Now try and argue that the US Dept of Education web site is not credible research:

  105. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.08.01

    "Russell" (and I await your response to my e-mail to confirm your identity), none of the items you mention are the basis of the lawsuit, which as I understand it is solely about the business mandate.

    "Coup" is appropriate. The House is asking a judge to take over executive power. Sensible judges will say no to that request.

  106. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.08.01

    Roger, I hope the Dems keep squeezing the heck out of this Republican grandstanding to boost our fundraising. Rick, Susan, and Corinna should capitalize.

    But they should also drop any talk of how we need a balance of Republicans and Democrats. The Republicans are showing themselves to be mean, vindictive, ineffective, and lacking in commitment to the general welfare. We need to advocate rooting them all out.

  107. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    " The Republicans are showing themselves to be mean, vindictive, ineffective, and lacking in commitment to the general welfare."

    And the Dems are returning such actions, just read some of the comments on this thread, for example Jerry's. And does a skyrocketing federal debt, to which the corporatists benefit, show a commitment to the general welfare?

  108. Jenny 2014.08.01

    You didn't answer my question, Sibson, I asked earlier about the trillion dollar war budget. I agree, Roger unless it doesn't fall into his queer obsessed version of bible meaning, it's a liberal conspiracy.
    Of course people with Aspergers syndrome I should give some leniency to. They can't help it.

  109. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "The Republicans are showing themselves to be mean, vindictive, ineffective, and lacking in commitment to the general welfare."

    Cory, you can add Jenny's last comment to the Democratic version of the above acts.

  110. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "it's a liberal conspiracy"

    Jenny, perhaps you are learning something from me. At least now you understand that the corporatist's crony capitalism is a liberal policy.

  111. larry kurtz 2014.08.01

    "Republicans want smaller government for the same reason crooks want fewer cops: it's easier to get away with murder."
    James Carville - Had enough? (2003)

  112. Jenny 2014.08.01

    People should go talk to my brother who is a farmer in Central SD. His health insurance premiums dropped from $12,000/yr to $6000/yr under Obamacare. My brother has the exact same kind of insurance also, nothing different. He went through a health insurance exchange to reapply for the same coverage. He says he has to show people his insurance papers so they believe how much it went down. Ignorant republicans people in SD really don't want to hear true stories like that about the ACA because of their anti-Obama stance.

  113. mike from iowa 2014.08.01

    Russell-wingnuts already established the threshhold for high crimes and misdemeanors for Libs and that is lying about sex.(see Bill Clinton)

  114. larry kurtz 2014.08.01

    "In temperament and ideology, the Tea Party Republicans who run the House aren’t much different from the Gingrich gang that went after Clinton. They don’t care whether Obama won the election in a near-landslide — or that seeking to remove him would be very dangerous for our country and the world. If their party wins control of the Senate in November, then the reactionary impulse to impeach may well become irresistible."

  115. Jenny 2014.08.01

    I have learned a lot more about Asperger's Syndrome, Sibby.

  116. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "They don’t care whether Obama won the election in a near-landslide — or that seeking to remove him would be very dangerous for our country and the world."

    Larry, how did Obama do in South Dakota during the last election? Do you think upsetting the Russians is a good idea given the fact that they are considering to stop using the US dollar as the medium of exchange? What impact would the resulting devaluation of the US dollar have on America? What impact would it have in the world economy?

  117. Craig 2014.08.01

    Steve: "The problem was created when we violated the cost/benefit rule by separating those getting the benefit from those who are paying it."

    How do you expect the working poor or disabled to pay for their own healthcare Steve? I somehow doubt Jesus would say only those with good incomes should be able to buy healthcare.

  118. larry kurtz 2014.08.01

    South Dakota is a failed state, Steve. It might be time to annex Mexico. Crimea just went on Russia's internet. The dollar will be the world's currency in my lifetime.

  119. mike from iowa 2014.08.01

    Sibby,a teaspoon of baking soda would get rid of your gas bubbles and sweeten your disposition considerable.

  120. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.08.01

    Down the damn rabbit hole again.

    Noem's foolish priorities are indefensible. Her vote to sue the President while leaving other real policy matters unresolved shows her unfitness for office. She should not get to serve in Congress for another term. Whether Robinson will do better against all the forces (real and imagined in Sibby's head as he co-opts this blog instead of writing his own blog posts and seeking the attention of the marketplace of ideas) remains to be seen. But if I have an employee who is not doing the job, I fire her and try someone else.

    Vote for Corinna Robinson.

  121. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "How do you expect the working poor or disabled to pay for their own healthcare Steve?"

    That was the role of Christian hospitals such as Avera before they decided to become involved with the corporatist's agenda, which now includes control of the doctors. The Mitchell Chamber of Commerce made a non-free market land transaction with Avera in Mitchell to build one of their command and control facilities.

    So instead of taking care of the poor for free, Avera is now getting subsidized with federal debt. Sad that people like Jenny think Obamacare is free. Sad that the oppressed is being feed the line that they won't get healthcare unless we have Obamacare. It is more corporatist deception.

  122. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    "(real and imagined in Sibby's head as he co-opts this blog instead of writing his own blog posts and seeking the attention of the marketplace of ideas)"

    Sorry you feel that way Cory. So I will then leave you to your deceptions, unchallenged. Later.

  123. larry kurtz 2014.08.01

    "In 1776, writer Adam Smith came up with a theory: when lots of buyers and lots of sellers get together, the resulting "market price" that emerges through all that buying and selling is in fact the work of an "invisible hand." He meant god."

  124. jerry 2014.08.01

    Russell Crow, sounds like you and Sibson are birds of a feather. Speaking of Speaker Boehner and the rest of the do nothing republicans like NOem, they want to sue the president of taking action. Then they refuse to govern and demand that President Obama take action.

    You people are spoiled children who cannot govern. Please leave the building and let the adults handle this and stop with this coup, you are trying to destroy America.

  125. bearcreekbat 2014.08.01

    Cory, its does seem weird to think that after attacking the ACA for so long that Republicans would have the audacity to take credit when the ACA works. Yet, there seem to be so many Republicans out there that manipulate their world view regardless of either history or the actual currently existing facts I really would expect this group to deny ever really opposing the ACA, perhaps with the caveat that they just opposed how the President enforced it, or some of the language used by Democrats that lead to litigation, etc., claiming all along that like Romneycare, the ACA that works has always been a Republican idea.

  126. Craig 2014.08.01

    Steve: "That was the role of Christian hospitals such as Avera before they decided to become involved with the corporatist's agenda..."

    The problem is - it never worked Steve. History showed us how healthcare worked before the advent of Medicare and Medicaid. The poor, the elderly, and even the children of the poor didn't recieve the healthcare they needed - and there isn't enough charity dollars in our nation to subsidize it for all those in need. As a result they went without - and their lives were shortened as a result.

    Either way your idea of a solution (which never was a solution) doesn't jive with your idea that those who get the benefits should be the ones paying for it. Avera or any other charity hospital isn't in need of healthcare - they offer it. Individuals are in need of healthcare, and if they can't pay for it, then your logic suggests they should not get it.

    I suppose you sound like many Republicans I know. They would do away with all social programs as they claim private charities and churches would pick up the slack. Reality doesn't agree with that view, and I suspect many if not most who believe such nonsense are simply greedy. They assume they have theirs, thus they don't want to pay for anyone else. They also like to put the less fortunate in a bucket and call them things like lazy, or freeloaders, or worthless... yet they aren't the ones working the soup kitchens or delivering school supplies to children in need. They aren't the ones volunteering their time or donating their money to charities. They talk a big game, but actions speak louder than words.

    I believe the GOP files this under the label of "Compassionate Conservatism".

  127. Lynn 2014.08.01

    With talk of healthcare what do you think of Mike Meyer's proposal of taking away non-profit status from institutions like Sanford and Avera?

  128. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.08.01

    Lynn, I hope to hear Mike talk more about that proposal at the first big gubernatorial debate at DakotaFest on August 20.

    Bearcreekbat, you rightly point out that Republicans could claim credit for ACA by acknowledging its roots as a Republican proposal and its implementation by Romney in Massachusetts. But given that those origins helped defeat Romney in 2012, and given all their rhetoric, it still seems to me it will be a while before the GOP could commit that reversal without being laughed out of whatever hall they try it in.

  129. JeniW 2014.08.01

    Lynn, the issue of removing the non-profit status is that people who donate to the various programs, such as Hospice, will no longer be able to deduct their donation on their tax returns.

    Avera and Sanford hospice relies heavily upon donations. There is assistance from Medicare to help pay for services, but like all insurances, Medicare does not pay for everything.

    It is difficult to know how losing that deduction would impact donations, but I am quite sure there would be a loud outcry from donors that do deduct their donations to any non-profit organization.

  130. Lynn 2014.08.01

    JeniW Historically I realize what role the nun's had in establishing hospitals in towns across SD with epidemics and such but have those dynamics really changed from their original mission? Are these institutions pushing the limits or abusing their tax-exempt status with healthcare being so lucrative for some?

    I've read articles quoting studies saying that public hospitals offer more services to the poor and less fortunate that than Catholic or faith based hospitals today. It could be very biased sorry I don't it was a bit alarming.

    I see how much Sanford spends on advertising and their acquisitions of other hospitals and opening of clinics with what seems like a competition of market share with Avera. Then I watched Minneahaha County commission hearing where they talked about a million dollar office building being taken off the tax roles for a new Sanford marketing office.

    What is really going on with this? Are Mike Meyers concerns valid? I don't know at this point.

  131. bearcreekbat 2014.08.01

    Nice post Craig. You nailed what is wrong with the Sibby and Republican "charity" argument. I base my opinion in part upon my experience in working with poor families for much of my life. The only religious charities that I recall ever coming forward to help our clients included the Mormon church, so long as the client was a Mormon, and Dave Adams, a young evangelist who rented a house and started the Cornerstone Rescue Mission, providing a place for homeless people to sleep on the condition that they attended his religious services.

    Prior to Adam's efforts a few of us got permission to set up cots for the homeless at the Mother Butler Center in the dead of winter, and we staffed it on our own time and dime making hot soup and using cots lent to us by an RC agency. The only requirement we had was that the individual showed up. We did this because many of the individuals and families we worked with during the day were homeless, and we could find no church in town that would let a homeless person in for shelter or food.

  132. JeniW 2014.08.01

    Lynn, I do not claim to know all the ins and outs of the Avera, Sanford, Mayo, and etc. finances.

    I recall reading that although the hospitals themselves do not pay property tax, but they do pay property tax where their clinics are.

    Back in the days, the nuns did provide services, but they also had the backing of the Catholic church to help with the finances.

    The population is much bigger than it was, and due to that there is a need for more types of services, and of course, more money is needed.

    Sanford, Avera, St. Jude, Mayo, and similar do advertise, part of that is to keep their name out and upfront so that potential patients and donors are aware of their services. There is also the element of competition.

    Most non-profits have marketing/advertising expenses, that is the reality of gaining funding for the many different kinds of services.

    I do not know Mike's stance is about non-profits, but I do know that changing the non-profit status will create a certain amount of outcry, especially from those who donate big time to the non-profits.

    My concern is that people view non-profits as enemies, or are "cheating" the government/community, but the reality is, that non-profits provide services that would not be otherwise available.

    Tweaking of the non-profits status might be necessarily, but to completely remove non-profit status, IMO, would not be a good thing.

  133. Steve Sibson 2014.08.01

    The blog master has asked me not to provide analysis on this thread, so can someone else provide analysis and reconciliation to the these three statements:

    From Craig:
    "They would do away with all social programs as they claim private charities and churches would pick up the slack. Reality doesn't agree with that view, and I suspect many if not most who believe such nonsense are simply greedy."

    From BCB:
    "Nice post Craig. You nailed what is wrong with the Sibby and Republican "charity" argument."

    From JeniW:
    "Avera and Sanford hospice relies heavily upon donations. There is assistance from Medicare to help pay for services, but like all insurances, Medicare does not pay for everything."

  134. Lynn 2014.08.01

    Regardless I'm for Single Payer. Regarding DakotaFest unless Mike Meyers is able to change and come up with quick, clear and concise answers for a debate he will instead be cut off due to time limits before he can make his point.

    JeniW Thank you! I realize how it would impact those who have and would like to donate. It meet huge resistance politically to remove that non-profit status.

  135. Lynn 2014.08.01

    I realize the important role non-profits play in society.

  136. Jana 2014.08.01

    The lawsuit that Kristi voted for is now blowing up. Eric Cantor couldn't stomach the Congress he's built and is leaving for money...I know what a shocker.

    Kristi, you have been a part of the most inept Congress in history. You take more vacation than the average American ever dreamed of, play with your cell phone during important hearings, put your name on populist bills that have no substance or opposition, but to your credit you have been voted as being hot.

    What exactly is the example you are trying to set for the youth of South Dakota.

    I sometimes wonder if she even has the capability to be embarrassed.

  137. Lynn 2014.08.01

    Jana I really hope Corinna Robinson wins this election Somehow! Someway! Hail Mary Pass whatever!

    Cory are you coming back to Dakota Territory soon?

    It would be nice to have an video interview with our candidates including Corinna.

  138. Tara Volesky 2014.08.01

    Mike Myers comment from the above posts pertaining to non-profit hospitals........As a condition of retaining their tax exempt status, the vertically integrated Avera and Sanford Health Systems should be required to comply with generally accepted non-profit corporate behavior. Both advertise by the millions of dollars and compensate their executives and physicians by the millions of dollars; additionally invest like for-profit structures. I would look at Mayo/Clinic Hospital norms and utilization rates to test their retention of non- profit status.

  139. Jenny 2014.08.01

    And now Congress gets a nice month long vacation, such a life. With Robinson not raising any money, Kristi will easily cruise into victory.
    Cory, you need to put up Robinson's address of where to send money. She needs money bad.

  140. Douglas Wiken 2014.08.01

    Non-profit status should mean lower hospital costs. But it appears the charges are similar or worse and if they are non-profit it is because of absurd executive pay makes them non-profit. I do not understand how Sanford Medical Systems can dump millions into ads and other businesses without running afoul of the government which puts a huge chunk of money into their system via medicare and medicaid. (And perhaps you will understand why my blog Dakota Today is banned on all Sanford and affiliated systems.)

  141. Deb Geelsdottir 2014.08.01

    Thrivent Financial for Christians is a Lutheran nonprofit business that just decided to switch from Lutherans only to all Christians. It is also in the Fortune 500 company. The CEO's total annual income, including stock options and all that stuff is $650,000. 8 digits is much more common in that crowd. The Thrivent CEO is the only 500 leader earning only 6 figures.

    My point is, nonprofits can be well run and efficient without throwing $ millions at the top floor corner office.

  142. Tara Volesky 2014.08.02

    Douglas, read an interesting article on your blog Dakota Today, Nov 2007. Guest article Mike Myers wrote on non-profit hospitals. He has battled the legislature for years in tackling this problem. Money talks, while nothing gets done to address the issue, all while CEO's, from non-profits are profiting.

  143. Tara Volesky 2014.08.02

    Mark Curran, CEO of Goodwill makes $2.3 million a year.

  144. Tim 2014.08.02

    I don't have a huge amount of extra money (been living in SD to long), I want to donate to Corinna's campagne but I have yet to see her make an appearance anywhere in Rapid City talking about anything, isn't she from here? I make a monthly donation to the Weiland campagne and could match that for Ms. Robinson, but I question if her heart is really in it. Noem needs to be replaced but Ms. Robinson needs to get going, she has a huge hill to climb.

  145. JeniW 2014.08.02

    Well, Larry, if that is the only good thing that Noem and Thune are famous in DC for, this might be their only moment of glory.

    Won't be long for the wrinkles to appear, the skin to sag to create a turkey neck, hair to thin... need I say more?

    LOL LOL LOL :)

  146. JeniW 2014.08.02


    To shorten your "bee....," try B. U. T full.

    LOL :)

  147. mike from iowa 2014.08.02

    Larry K-why would Noem lose her bimbo image? It is about all she is good for. Eye candy for aging white fools.

  148. mike from iowa 2014.08.02

    Thanks,JeniW. BTW-Young is officially listed as the most corrupt congressweasel,if memory serves. Alaska's one and only critter so far.

  149. Steve Sibson 2014.08.04

    "I make a monthly donation to the Weiland campagne and could match that for Ms. Robinson, but I question if her heart is really in it."

    It appears that the only reason why you need to send her money is because everyone hates Noem based on one fact...she is a Republican.

  150. Jenny 2014.08.04

    One's reason for financial contribution is really none of your business, Sibby.

  151. mike from iowa 2014.08.04

    Jealous,Mr Sibby?

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