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Jensen Demands Jackley Act Against Sneaky Teachers Reading Other State Standards

Senator Phil Jensen (R-33/Rapid City) has found a nice safe conservative bunker from which to fire his first post-election paranoia grenades. Senator Jensen says the state Board of Education is breaking a new state law that he co-sponsored in the 2014 Legislative session to deliver us from the evil of K-12 curriculum standards created in other states.

The law in question is SDCL 13-3-48.1, created by this year's Senate Bill 64, which reads in relevant part,

Prior to July 1, 2016, the Board of Education may not, pursuant to § 13-3-48, adopt any uniform content standards drafted by a multistate consortium which are intended for adoption in two or more states. However, this section does not apply to content standards whose adoption by the Board of Education was completed and finalized prior to July 1, 2014. However, nothing in this section prohibits the board from adopting standards drafted by South Dakota educators and professionals which reference uniform content standards, provided that the board has conducted at least four public hearings in regard to those standards [SDCL 13-3-48.1, enacted 2014.07.01].

The action in question is the creation of new science and social studies standards. Senator Jensen, similarly archly conservative Rep. Elizabeth May (R-27/Kyle), and some Common Core opponents went to the Board of Education meeting Monday to say those new standards are linked to Common Core. According to the intrepid Bob Mercer, the standard opponents used words like “communist,” “evolution,” “leftist,” “climate change” and “environmentalism” in their expressions of opposition.

Never mind that the South Dakota teachers who worked on the social studies standards read SDCL 13-3-48.1, read a lot of documents, and drafted their own darn standards:

Much of the proposal is based on the state’s existing standards, but the revision committee injected old priorities with their own experience and new research, [DOE specialist Sam] Shaw said. The group also consulted the C3 Framework, a collaborative effort between states and the National Council for Social Studies to improve the rigor of social studies classes and align with the Common Core State Standards.

Lawmakers passed a two-year ban last year on the adoption of “any uniform content standards drafted by a multistate consortium which are intended for adoption in two or more states.”

Aware of the stipulation, the 2014 Social Studies Content Standards Revision Committee did not adopt the C3 Framework, instead using its philosophies to inform the standards-writing process, Shaw said.

“Anything we used was primarily for reference,” Shaw said. “Each and every individual standard was approved by the teachers” [Patrick Anderson, "Social Studies Standards Urge More Analysis," that Sioux Falls paper, 2014.11.17].

And ditto the science standards:

The proposed science standards are unique to South Dakota and give flexibility to teachers at the local level, Shaw said.

Shaw and his fellow committee members used the Next Generation Science Standards as a framework for creating standards, but the components were made to fit South Dakota's education needs, Shaw said [Patrick Anderson, "State Science Standard Proposals Draw Concern," that Sioux Falls paper, 2014.09.15].

Evidently when the Legislature forces teachers to engage in the charade of codifying all of their art into lengthy bullet-point standards documents, Senator Jensen and other conservative allies also expect teachers to ignore the vast body of knowledge, research, and paperwork already generated by their colleagues in other states and reinvent the standards wheel. (Senator Jensen is creating another moment in which South Dakota teachers will say to the Legislature, "You don't pay us enough to put up with this B.S.")

Senator Jensen said he's going to sic the Attorney General on the Board of Education for this violation, because oh my, an economic-development official scamming the state out of over $100 million on an illegal contract doesn't warrant lifting a finger, but teachers reading plans from other states need to be investigated right now!

Such is the nuttiness Senator Jensen and his fellow Republicans have in store for the 2015 Legislative session.


  1. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Stupid state.

  2. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "Senator Jensen and other conservative allies also expect teachers to ignore the vast body of knowledge, research, and paperwork already generated by their colleagues in other states and reinvent the standards wheel. (Senator Jensen is creating another moment in which South Dakota teachers will say to the Legislature, "You don't pay us enough to put up with this B.S.")"

    The reason teachers are not paid enough is because money is being spent on standards that are used to control teachers. Wake up Cory.

    And it is you Cory and the Educrats in Pierre that ignores research:

    The Lincoln School, despite its inability to teach its students how to read and write, created broad effects on American education. Discarding the traditional course of study, it developed the core curriculum and merged the study of history, geography, and civics into what it called the "social studies." To a generation of teachers and administrators educated at Teachers College, the Lincoln School was a model for the type of school they were to create back home. To thousands of visitors, it was a showplace for the new psychology and Progressive Education. For the Rockefeller forces, it was a demonstration of the humanitarian intentions behind the Rockefeller fortune. Yet it was not, however large, the sum of all the Progressive Education activities at Teachers College. Nor did it represent the thousands of ways in which a now affluent Teachers College was forwarding the steady overhaul of American education. There is little in the way of change in our educational system and
    our society to which the professors at Teachers College didn't apply themselves. Dewey's disciples Harold Rugg, George S. Counts, and William H. Kilpatrick provide good examples of where Wundtian psychology was taking the teachers of our teachers.'

    That is just the tip of the iceberg Cory.

  3. Donald Pay 2014.11.19

    For years South Dakota students excelled in science on standardized tests. The state was at or near the top of the nation. This is one area where South Dakota could have provided leadership during development of nationwide standards. But, no, the know-nothings don't want South Dakota students to be the best. They want them to be dumb and vote Republican.

    One reason why South Dakota students do so well is that our teachers and districts aren't afraid to adopt the best curriculum, engage students in experiments and help them understand how to think like a scientist. That means having an open mind, and questioning received wisdom. And it means adopting good ideas from wherever they come from.

    I've got news for Jensen. Just about everything that South Dakota does in education comes from somewhere else. I don't think South Dakota districts publish their own textbooks. If Jensen only wants students to be taught things uncontaminated by other states, then he's going to be subjecting students to 8 periods of dead air.

    It seems Jensen and people of his ilk hate the fact that South Dakota students make good scientists because they don't restrict themselves to being as narrow minded as he is.

  4. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    Here is some more research that you will ignore:

    In the 1920s, Reconstructionists like Counts and Harold Ordway Rugg argued that high schools should be incubators of the social regimes of the future. Teachers would instruct students to “discard dispositions and maxims” derived from America’s “individualistic” ethos, wrote Counts. A professor in Columbia’s Teachers College and president of the American Federation of Teachers, Counts was for a time enamored of Joseph Stalin. After visiting the Soviet Union in 1929, he published A Ford Crosses Soviet Russia, a panegyric on the Bolsheviks’ “new society.” Counts believed that in the future, “all important forms of capital” would “have to be collectively owned,” and in his 1932 essay “Dare the Schools Build a New Social Order?,” he argued that teachers should enlist students in the work of “social regeneration.”

  5. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "Much of the proposal is based on the state’s existing standards, but the revision committee injected old priorities with their own experience and new research, [DOE specialist Sam] Shaw said. The group also consulted the C3 Framework, a collaborative effort between states and the National Council for Social Studies to improve the rigor of social studies classes and align with the Common Core State Standards."

    Research on the National Council of Social Studies:

    Like Counts, Rugg, a Teachers College professor and cofounder of the National Council for the Social Studies, believed that the American economy was flawed because it was “utterly undesigned and uncontrolled.” In his 1933 book The Great Technology, he called for the “social reconstruction” and “scientific design” of the economy, arguing that it was “now axiomatic that the production and distribution of goods can no longer be left to the vagaries of chance—specifically to the unbridled competitions of self-aggrandizing human nature.” There “must be central control and supervision of the entire [economic] plant” by “trained and experienced technical personnel.” At the same time, he argued, the new social order must “socialize the vast proportion” of wealth and outlaw the activities of “middlemen” who didn’t contribute to the “production of true value.”

    So there we have the birth of crony capitalism. The transition to the Soviet model is now taking another step with this C3 framework. And it fits nicely with Daugaard's workforce development plant that pushes collaboration with education (College), business (Career), and government (Civics).

    We no longer have education and teachers. We have facilitators developing skills for the human capital needed by the crony capitalists' "planned economy" (they use that label instead of socialism or communism). And they are going to pay the "facilitators" no more than they have too, just like factory workers.

  6. Lynn 2014.11.19

    How did Jensen get re-elected? Is he holding the position of Grand Dragon in another organization or our legislature?

  7. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    South Dakota so deserves you, Steve.

  8. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Why, Lynn? Because Rapid City is peopled by voters just like Sibson and Jensen: white, old, uneducated and depressed.

  9. tara volesky 2014.11.19

    Steve and Cory and Phil Jensen are all correct. Common Core is a joke and we are going to lose teachers because of it. I just had to put my daughter in second chance for Algebra 2 because she was at 44%. She had given up on Math and was very stressed out and miserable. There are many kids just like her going through the same thing. It took me a month to get her in because they have a waiting list of 35 students. Common Core is a money making proposition by Pearson Education Corporation and what do Governors know about standards. It was all about the money and they took it. Thanks Mike Rounds, Dennis Daugaard and the people who voted for them. Next time think about the children and teachers before your political party label.

  10. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    A few things really struck me during my recent visit to Rapid: all the cars are crap, all the streets are shot, all the homeless are without hope, all the young people despondent, all the businesses are chains, all the smiles forced.

  11. tara volesky 2014.11.19

    Larry, Common Core will be out the door with within 5 years. The hundreds of millions of dollars that is being spent on Common core curriculum and testing, workshops, etc could have gone to teacher salaries. Cory had a great article on CC that was published in the SD Magazine. He even endorsed the Tea Party with their stance against it.

  12. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Tara, my ambivalence to CC notwithstanding: you people are screwed.

  13. jerry 2014.11.19

    You are incorrect on one thing Larry, some of the cars are big and expensive or small and expensive. They are few, but they exist in Rapid City. Take a look at the names that give big donations to Daugaard and the rest of the cabal. I am quite sure you could cross reference them to the rides they own.

    The streets are really amazing though. I visited out in Rapid Valley not so long ago. One stretch of street that was quite long, was so bad that it was impossible to go 20 or you would bottom out. It was more of an amusement ride than a city street. They say it was built by a developer by the last name of Estes. I think it was the same one that was involved with one of those questionable land deals with the state.

  14. Lynn 2014.11.19

    Larry it just shocks me how these guys get elected. I mean I could see it in the deep South but here in South Dakota? It doesn't say much for those who voted them in. I'd be curious how many RV out of stater residents voted for this guy and then we have others that were elected that are either involved in covering up corruption, kicking the can down the road regarding issues, trying to legislate away people's rights or infuse religion into our government.

  15. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    Lynn and Larry, thanks for helping me make the point that you two ignore research. And to think that you two can vote is very sad.

  16. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    Here is some more research that I dare larry to ignore:

    In An Introduction to Problems of American Culture, his 1931 social studies textbook for junior high school students, Rugg deplored the “lack of planning in American life”:

    Repeatedly throughout this book we have noted the unplanned character of our civilization. In every branch of agriculture, industry, and business this lack of planning reveals itself. For instance, manufacturers in the United States produce billions’ of dollars worth of goods without scientific planning. Each one produces as much as he thinks he can sell, and then each one tries to sell more than his competitors. . . . As a result, hundreds of thousands of owners of land, mines, railroads, and other means of transportation and communication, stores, and businesses of one kind or another, compete with one another without any regard for the total needs of all the people. . . . This lack of national planning has indeed brought about an enormous waste in every outstanding branch of industry. . . . Hence the whole must be planned.

    Rugg pointed to Soviet Russia as an example of the comprehensive control that America needed, and he praised Stalin’s first Five-Year Plan, which resulted in millions of deaths from famine and forced labor.

  17. Lynn 2014.11.19

    Glad to help Steve.

  18. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Statehood for the tribes and Mexico.

  19. mike from iowa 2014.11.19

    According to new history textbooks being readied for Texas schools,Moses will be recognized as one of the first 'murricans. And you only have Sibby to put up with.

  20. mike from iowa 2014.11.19

    Anybody know if Bob Mercer is related to Ken Mercer who writes for the Texas Tribune?

  21. caheidelberger Post author | 2014.11.19

    How about we pull Phil and this thread back out of the rabbit hole?

    Steve, you know I agree with you that all this fuss over standards is a waste of my good teaching energy. I have yet to meet a set of standards (or the interminable time spent in meetings reviewing, recomposing, and documenting them) that helps me walk into my classroom the next day or the next year and help students learn better.

    Here's the immediate issue: Jensen could be attacking a hundred different problems to make South Dakota better. He chooses to thump his chest and demand AG action over a potential violation of a new law which the teachers and bureaucrats involved have very consciously, conscientiously, and transparently tried to follow and as far as I can tell have followed. Jensen's complaint makes about as much sense as requiring all schools to use buses built entirely in South Dakota and then punishing a school district that saves money by buying cheap spare parts built in Michigan. Meanwhile, Joop Bollen, James Park, and who-knows who else flagrantly flout state law and policies to divert millions of dollars from state coffers to private pockets, and Phil Jensen says nothing about that. Priorities!

    Steve, you know my optimal solution would be for the Legislature to simply end the whole standards hamster wheel, pay teacher what they are worth, and let teachers teach. But if they aren't going to do that, they let the teachers write their standards and stop trying to turn it into a diverting culture war.

  22. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "But if they aren't going to do that, they let the teachers write their standards and stop trying to turn it into a diverting culture war."

    Cory, the teachers are not writing the standards. They are plagiarizing existing multi-state standards. The teachers participating in this process are being used as political pawns, and perhaps they are doing so expecting they will be rewarded later. Second possibility is that they really think this is the way to go.

    Second, Social Studies is the rabbit hole. We all been there, and most have yet to deprogram.

    And third, you have yet to understand the research that ties the education system into the crony capitalism that includes the EB-5 scandal. See my second point for why there is this lack of understanding.

  23. Bill Fleming 2014.11.19

    Yes, right! I get it now! We had the EB-5 scandal because Joop taught Benda and Rounds the stuff he learned in social studies class in Holland. And the Chinese communists wanted in on it too. Thanks, Sibby, it finally all just clicked in for me. :-)

  24. Les 2014.11.19

    I spoke with a democrat last night about eb5. He thought it was all about the dead guy and Joop. Busy uninformed people.

  25. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    Bill Fleming does not understand the nature of a "planned economy" promoted by Social Studies. Public/private partnerships such as SDRC and the GOED. Sad that those who read this blog think the only bogy man is Joop Bollen. You guys need to expand the scope of your research. The core problem is the "planned economy", a Soviet model that drives what you think is education. Listen to Daugaard, they have switched to skills necessary for the globally planned economy. We are well down the road to serfdom. And we will continue down that road as long as most are drunk on the indoctrination provided by public schools, the media, and the politicians of both parties.

  26. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Has the Jim River frozen and backed into your basement yet, Steve?

  27. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    That Jensen and his constituency don't want their taxes going to pay for something with which they disagree is the same christofascist Bircherism South Dakota's legislature is famous for.

    Face it, people: Sibby and his Family have won.

  28. Loren 2014.11.19

    Why don't we just buy our books from Texas, minus the controversial pages rejected by AZ, hand out bibles, say the Pledge of Allegiance, and call 'er good?? !@#%&*!

  29. Lynn 2014.11.19

    Comrade Sibson the Proletariat under immense pressure as it is by the state. There must be a two year plan to reverse this trend.

  30. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "There must be a two year plan to reverse this trend."

    Not possible. It will take generations of citizens who finally understand the truth. First we have to take back the education system. And that won't happen with the Democrats and the Republicans working together while concocting a fake fight about the money. The SDGOP will agree to more money, and then use it to further their command and control systems. The "facilitators" won't be seeing much of the money. They are on the same level as the kids they are training to become human capital for the globalists. And for those who can't cut the work life, they can go on welfare and become consumers of the corporatists' goods and services as they are controlled by the Department of Social Services. Anybody look at the top 20 paid South Dakota government employees and notice how many of them are shrinks for the DSS? Once you do that, then go back to my research regarding Wundt.

  31. Roger Cornelius 2014.11.19

    Does any Democrat on this thread believe that Joop Bollen is the highest level of the EB-5 corruption scandal as Sibson suggests?

  32. jerry 2014.11.19

    Sibson suggests many things here Roger and as you know, you consider the source. In his mind, up is down. At least he does have one player at blame, but he is a republican so it is impossible for him to not defend little Mike and smirking Dennis. Joop probably cannot vote so he is collateral damage, nothing more.

  33. WayneF 2014.11.19

    I've said it before in various ways: Mr. Sibson, go find another playground to be a bully at. There might be one where people will take your threats and your ideas seriously.

  34. Taunia 2014.11.19

    Maybe Jensen is flaming the BoE because he has a donor or like-minded public education saboteur he wants on the board.

    Maybe it's positioning for 2016 election.

  35. Roger Cornelius 2014.11.19

    Sibson is a prime example of what Professor Newquist calls South Dakota's "intellectual dysfunction".

  36. Taunia 2014.11.19

    Y'all engage Sibson, or take pot shots at him, then complain when he keeps coming back.

    If you don't want him here, ignore him.

    At least own up to your part about him being here and quit complaining when he feeds your need to beat up on someone.

  37. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "Does any Democrat on this thread believe that Joop Bollen is the highest level of the EB-5 corruption scandal as Sibson suggests?"

    When did I suggest that? Please provide link and quote.

  38. jerry 2014.11.19

    Correct Taunia, it is like Sibson is intoxicating and we all know that, but he keeps drawing us in, like a moth to the flame.

  39. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "Senator Jensen and other conservative allies also expect teachers to ignore the vast body of knowledge, research, and paperwork"

    This thread has proved that the false allegation Cory made actually applies to those on this thread that continue to ignore research.

    Here is some more:

    For educators devoted to the social studies model, the old learning is anathema precisely because it liberates individual potential. It releases the “powers of a young soul,” the classicist educator Werner Jaeger wrote, “breaking down the restraints which hampered it, and leading into a glad activity.” The social educators have revised the classic ideal of education expressed by Pindar: “Become what you are” has given way to “Become what the group would have you be.” Social studies’ verbal drabness is the means by which its contrivers starve the self of the sustenance that nourishes individual growth. A stunted soul can more easily be reduced to an acquiescent dullness than a vital, growing one can; there is no readier way to reduce a people to servile imbecility than to cut them off from the traditions of their language, as the Party does in George Orwell’s 1984.

    Indeed, today’s social studies theorists draw on the same social philosophy that Orwell feared would lead to Newspeak. The Social Studies Curriculum: Purposes, Problems, and Possibilities, a 2006 collection of articles by leading social studies educators, is a socialist smorgasbord of essays on topics like “Marxism and Critical Multicultural Social Studies” and “Decolonizing the Mind for World-Centered Global Education.” The book, too, reveals the pervasive influence of Marxist thinkers like Peter McLaren, a professor of urban schooling at UCLA who advocates “a genuine socialist democracy without market relations,” venerates Che Guevara as a “secular saint,” and regards the individual “self” as a delusion, an artifact of the material “relations which produced it”—“capitalist production, masculinist economies of power and privilege, Eurocentric signifiers of self/other identifications,” all the paraphernalia of bourgeois imposture.

  40. leslie 2014.11.19

    busy uninformed people? did u vote for I-17? Yer guy was very curious about Round's cabinet guy Benda, but had no information because of the bigger issue he saw, republican suppression of the EB5 investigation.

    joop is important because Tideman (R. Sen.) refused to subpoena he, Rounds (hired joop the ringleader), and Daugaard before the election.

  41. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Taunia, other than Tim Johns there isn't another West River GOP legislator with any integrity whatsoever.

  42. Bill Fleming 2014.11.19

    Sibby, see above your post at 10:42 which contains this sentence: "Sad that those who read this blog think the only bogy man is Joop Bollen."

    That's what Roger was referencing.

  43. Taunia 2014.11.19

    Larry: Ok. So...what?

  44. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    You suggested that Jensen has a donor advancing an agenda, my guess is that Rep. Johns would more represent his entire district rather than for someone waving the cash.

  45. Lynn 2014.11.19

    Taunia a number of us tried it but it didn't work. It's like a person with ADD or whatever without their meds. They can't pick up on social cues and just keep hijacking and going to rabbit holes being on auto pilot.

  46. Taunia 2014.11.19

    Did it feel good saying that, Lynn?

    Larry: do all members of the BoE come from one district?

  47. Les 2014.11.19

    it works better than attacking. notice how well Lar behaves!

  48. Lynn 2014.11.19

    Yes it felt very good! I'm satisfied and tired of being annoyed.

  49. WayneF 2014.11.19

    Taunia's right about Steve Sibson. He has little or nothing positive to contribute to this post. Let's ignore him.

  50. Taunia 2014.11.19

    Thanks for the links, Larry. I don't see any one donor that stands out. Do you?

    Man, SD Senate seats are cheap! Looking through reports totaling $30/35k per cycle or less? Sigh. We have state house seats running $500k, state senate seats running $1.5 million.

  51. Steve Sibson 2014.11.19

    "Let's ignore him."

    And the research. Cory you are blaming conservatives for what liberals do.

    For the slow people, this is from Cory's post:

    "Senator Jensen and other conservative allies also expect teachers to ignore the vast body of knowledge, research"

    We conservatives expect teachers and all others to not ignore knowledge and research. That is why they participated in the public meeting regarding standards.

  52. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Exactly, Taunia: corrupting South Dakota's election and legislative process is a bargain compared to New Mexico, too.

  53. larry kurtz 2014.11.19

    Hardly surprising that catholic Schoenbeck was brushed aside by a Teabangelical.

  54. Douglas Wiken 2014.11.19

    Jensen just keeps on making Robin Page look better and better. Jensen is a toxic Republican.

  55. mike from iowa 2014.11.20

    Wee cons expect teachers not to ignore research and teach the bible as is because it drives liberals wild and we cons don't give a flying fig about kids until they are old enough to fight wingnut dirty wars or execute,us cons being plumb unparticular about their choices or chances.

  56. mike from iowa 2014.11.20

    Libs are commies because Joe McCarthy said they are.

  57. Steve Sibson 2014.11.20

    Actually your are right Mike. Just read the research I provided on Rugg, Counts, and others.

  58. Bill Dithmer 2014.11.20

    I come to this blog to hear different opinions. To a certain extent Sibby does that. You may, probably, dont like what he is saying. But, he does at times contribute information that could only come from Sibson.

    Reading Sibby is like sniffing airplane glue. For a brief time, there is euphoria, followed by expectations, and then as the glue dries, the effectivness of the high also is gone.

    I never liked sniffing glue. It was messy, and it gave me a headache. Sibs a lot like that.

    The Blindman

  59. jerry 2014.11.20

    Nailed it Blindman

  60. mike from iowa 2014.11.20

    The white paste we used to eat in elementary school had a minty flavor with no known aftereffects. Was rill messy,too. Sibby,not so much.

  61. Bill Fleming 2014.11.20

    Bill D, good analogy. May I add that the 'high' you think you feel is actually brain cells dying? :-)

  62. Les 2014.11.20

    Are you saying Sib actually cultivates our brains by taking out the weak cells bf? That's why I drink beer.

  63. Bill Fleming 2014.11.20

    Um... well Les, actually, that's why I quit drinking. I don't think booze knows which brain cells are the weak ones. It's an equal opportunity stupifier.

  64. Steve Sibson 2014.11.20

    "It's an equal opportunity stupifier."

    Along with public schools, the media and politicians from both parties. You all are proof. The headache is from seeing research that conflicts with the propaganda that is repeated over and over.

  65. jerry 2014.11.20

    Rinse and repeat as always, never disappoints

  66. Bill Fleming 2014.11.20

    Sibby calls the propaganda he posts here 'research' and truly appears not to know the difference. LOL

  67. Les 2014.11.20

    ""Rinse and repeat as always, never disappoints"". You speak of some not answering your question here, Jerry. You don't answer mine. Who should take responsibility for the Dems falling apart in SD? No party balance costs all. You lost your only leader with Tyler. Who rushed in to support her with money when the hit was ordered on her? Oh yea, I forgot, it's the SDGOP to blame for all. Sorry. Rinse and repeat, rinse and.....

  68. Les 2014.11.20

    The AA 12 step program keeps coming to mind for the SDDP. I keep putting it back. There is just to darn much God in that thing.

  69. jerry 2014.11.20

    Did not see your question Les, my apologizes. 1. "You don't answer mine. Who should take responsibility for the Dems falling apart in SD?" Me, I take that responsibility, I could have done better had it not been for me, all would have won.

    2. "No party balance costs all. You lost your only leader with Tyler. Who rushed in to support her with money when the hit was ordered on her?" Again, that was me as well, I supported far to many Democrats with funds and not enough of others.

    3. "Oh yea, I forgot, it's the SDGOP to blame for all." On that, you are correcto mundo Les. Two out of three ain't bad for me, but you got the stinky end of the stick to stir while you and yours get to rinse and repeat, but you cannot get the stink off. Sucks to be you.

  70. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    Imagine catholic Jackley even listening to protestant teabags May and Jensen.

  71. jerry 2014.11.20

    The 12 step failed you Les, and that is to bad. For many, it works wonders and gives a sense that life has a meaning for them. Of course, in some cases, it fails in that it does not deliver the suffering from their demons. So you can make fun of that program, while you suffer its effects, only shows the necrophilia that has taken over your party.

  72. Jenny 2014.11.20

    Yes, please whoever is chairman of the Minnehaha County Democrats, I submit a proposal to put a Dem Website up. I believe this would benefit the party by bringing awareness and recognition to what we stand for and believe in. All in favor, say aye. :)

  73. Jenny 2014.11.20

    Darn it, this was supposed to go under the New Group Forming article.

  74. Steve Sibson 2014.11.20

    "Sibby calls the propaganda he posts here 'research'"

    Right Bill, the pro-Soviet propaganda of Harold Rugg and fellow indoctrinators need to be exposed by researching what they wrote. So you agree with them or disagree with their communist propaganda?

  75. Les 2014.11.20

    Would your name be Grimm, as in Jerry Grimm? Quite the writer of tales. I do believe you've stated, no drugs involved, Jerry?

  76. jerry 2014.11.20

    As I recall Les, Could this be you?

    Sorry, as I recall Les, it was you who brought in the 12 step program. As I only know what it means to people, I only naturally made the connection that it may be drugs or alcohol for you that has caused your strange behavior. So the question you asked should be directed to the man in the mirror that you see.

  77. Bill Fleming 2014.11.20

    I'm not following Les and the 12 Step thing.

    First of all, Les, how would you suggest we word Step 1?

    Fill in the blanks:
    "We admitted we were powerless over ----------- and that our --------------- had become unmanageable.

    And second of all, what are you doing trying to take someone else's inventory? Step 4 is none of your business unless you're asked to be a sponsor. You don't just get to butt in uninvited.

    And we haven't even talked about the higher power part, except I'll note that you even managed to screw that up by using the G word. There's only as much God in AA as the person doing it wants there to be, even if that means none.

    So, I'm thinking your whole idea is bogus and that you're just using what is a sacred trust for some people to make a cheap, smart ass point here for no particular reason.

  78. Lynn 2014.11.20

    Kind of like during the Republican primary insinuating that people posting here didn't have jobs. lol

  79. leslie 2014.11.20

    sib-which parts of your/their research are reliable and which parts are booga-booga? Taunia, there, I bit.... happy?

  80. leslie 2014.11.20

    les-not wanting to pile on, i would only ask, do you distrust the non-drinker?

  81. mike from iowa 2014.11.20

    I don't have a job.

  82. Lynn 2014.11.20

    mfi it was insinuated in a demeaning way a few times back during that time.

  83. mike from iowa 2014.11.20

    Yeah,Lynn,I know. It doesn't bother me in the least whether wingnuts get bent about it or not. They're parroting talking points verbatim.

  84. Roger Cornelius 2014.11.20

    In 2008 after the Republicans took a beating by Democrats that elected President Obama, the RNC hired Michael Steele as their director.
    The first thing Steele said was that he was going to put the Republicans on the 12 Step program, it didn't work well for them since President Obama easily won reelection.
    I have seen the AA 12 Step program used for other addictions like gambling, but it is impossible the 12 Step template for politics, ask Michael Steele.

  85. Les 2014.11.20

    I don't insinuate, Lynn. If you're online all day every day, it is probable you don't have a job. If you do have a job, you're a cheater.
    Nothing I've put on Maddville is any more bogus than that which spills off brains to fingers here BF. Most of what you say gets ignored or you would be no less time consuming to me than Sib is to you.
    Yes mfi, I know you dont have a job. But you are either an old fart or disabled and can't run a keyboard or some similar job for a few hours a day.

  86. Les 2014.11.20

    Until the control issues of the core group at Madville are dealt with, understand, people of neither party will be forced by the willful demands presented here. The 12 step is still my thought for the future of the SDDP if this group is that future. BF! You diminish the 12 step by trying to put it in a small square box only you can substantiate.

  87. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    Phuc you, Less.

  88. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    If any of us would have left comments like Less' at DWC it would be deleted as off topic.

  89. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    If any of us would have left comments like Less' at DWC they would be deleted as off topic.

  90. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    Fleming is the only Dem allowed at DWC because it gives PP some illusion of credibility.

  91. larry kurtz 2014.11.20

    Fleming is Bill Nye and PP is the creationist struggling to be taken seriously.

  92. grudznick 2014.11.20

    Plus, he's a pretty swell guy, and generally of a reasonable sort.

  93. Lynn 2014.11.20

    Les you are so off the mark it's quite funny. If you only knew.

    Now get back to yelling at those kids to stay off your grass!

  94. Les 2014.11.20

    LOL, Lar. Luv u honey.

  95. Les 2014.11.20

    How about an original comment, Lynn?

  96. grudznick 2014.11.20

    Ms. Lynn, I don't know Mr. Les and have never really conversed with him here but you may be confusing him with me. It is I that do the yelling at kids on the yard and what I yell sounds a bit like "Geet off ma layand!!!" I love their little shrieks.

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